23% BF for first cycle....

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 11:28 AM

What ya think with 12 weeks of Test E and HCG. Diet 100% and Workout 100%.
Won't the HCG burn out the fat and bring me down with 3 days a week of cardio to at least 12% with heavy lifting.

Or do I wait to get to 15% BF and then take my first shot?

**Dolfan84** · 03-30-2011, 11:35 AM

Dude you might get flamed for even asking but I wont do that. The thing is it is very tempting to use AAS before you are ready but you really really shouldn't. Asidefrom all the elevated chances of sides with a higher BF it also puts a lot of stress on an already stressed body when you are at 23%. Also with the bloat that you are guaranteed to experience with that high of a BF it is very possible to get discouraged.

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 11:46 AM

Yeah, I get it, I ordered my gear but "the plan" in effect is dieting my ass off right now, working out hard f ing core and seeing what my bf is in a month.

So what is the recommended bf% to start a cycle?

**Diesel618** · 03-30-2011, 11:52 AM

you need to be doing cardio more than 3X a week. Start with an hour a day at least plus 4-5 days of lifting.

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 12:09 PM

Dod Gamnit! I hate HIT Treadmill Training. Alright, Sacrifices. I'll do Cardio 4.5 days a week. My weight training has been 5 days a week. Only the last two months have I been concentrating on adding weight and not just lifting what my buddy lifts too lazy to constantly change the weight. Time to get big.

**stronger4ever** · 03-30-2011, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by justhav2p

Time to get big.

23% BF... You're already huge dude lol

**BigBird** · 03-30-2011, 01:21 PM

BF should be half of that before touching aas. Diet and train to get down to 12% before pulling the trigger on aas. You'll be doing yourself a huge disservice if you start aas before you're fit and ready. Plus, if you diet and train naturally for now - you'll set yourself up to keep a lot of the gains you make.

**Built** · 03-30-2011, 01:23 PM

I agree with everyone here - you're too fat to run this. You'll aromatize too much of it and the risk of gyno is very real - not to mention the risk to your prostate.

Are you losing now? Cardio isn't the key to fat-loss; that part's diet. What calories are you running and how much do you need to lose to drop below 15%?

**bulldogz** · 03-30-2011, 02:03 PM

I doubt you will get to the teen digit body fat % in 30 days...but maybe you will...

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

23% BF... You're already huge dude lol

lol I actually am big hehe.

Built,
I am losing weight now, from 236 to now 227 in 3 weeks time.
My diet is:

BREAKFAST Total 3 boiled eggs and 1/2 cup oatmeal
Protien: 23 grams
Carbs: 30 grams
Fats: 16 grams Calories: 360

Lunch Total Fish or Chicken or lean meat, Veggies, lil whole wheat noodle
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

Dinner(Same as lunch)
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

TOTALS:
Calories: 1280
Protien: 173 grams
Carbs: 124 or 96 grams(sometimes will opt out on carbs for dinner)
Fats: 30 grams

**popeyestrength** · 03-30-2011, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

23% bf... You're already huge dude lol

this. Lmao

**TGB1987** · 03-30-2011, 02:36 PM

Get bodyfat down to at least 12-14%. In the meantime study AAS so you know how to use them. Go to the diet section and start researching a diet to use. Get on fitday.com and stick with it. Do cardio 3-4 days a week after your weight training.

**TGB1987** · 03-30-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by justhav2p

lol I actually am big hehe.

Built,
I am losing weight now, from 236 to now 227 in 3 weeks time.
My diet is:

BREAKFAST Total 3 boiled eggs and 1/2 cup oatmeal
Protien: 23 grams
Carbs: 30 grams
Fats: 16 grams Calories: 360

Lunch Total Fish or Chicken or lean meat, Veggies, lil whole wheat noodle
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

Dinner(Same as lunch)
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

TOTALS:
Calories: 1280
Protien: 173 grams
Carbs: 124 or 96 grams(sometimes will opt out on carbs for dinner)
Fats: 30 grams

This is a problem. Hopefully Built will help you out here.

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 02:59 PM

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Truthfully, Idk my exact bf%, My workout buddy told me 23%, looking into a caliper or something, what do you think it is?

**Built** · 03-30-2011, 03:07 PM

Five micro meals and that's your diet? Okay, assuming all you lost on the scale was fat (which is ludicrous btw, the first five pounds was probably glycogen and water) then you created a deficit of about 32000 calories over 15 days, or about 1500 calories a day. Add this to your intake and your maintenance was about 2800 calories a day when you started. Not very high.

You'll need to diet down to about 200 lbs, then maintain that weight for a few weeks before you begin your cycle. You think 1200 calories a day is going to be fun for another 25 lbs?

**Built** · 03-30-2011, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by justhav2p

My Pics
BeforeandAfter.001.jpg
BeforeandAfter.005.jpg
BeforeandAfter.006.jpg

Truthfully, Idk my exact bf%, My workout buddy told me 23%, looking into a caliper or something, what do you think it is?

Close to 30%. High twenties.

**LightBearer** · 03-30-2011, 03:13 PM

how about you get the gear and cycle so its all ready, and DONT START IT until you get to like 16%bf? youll have the gear on standby as motivation and something to work towards

**XYZ** · 03-30-2011, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by justhav2p

lol I actually am big hehe.

Built,
I am losing weight now, from 236 to now 227 in 3 weeks time.
My diet is:

BREAKFAST Total 3 boiled eggs and 1/2 cup oatmeal
Protien: 23 grams
Carbs: 30 grams
Fats: 16 grams Calories: 360

Lunch Total Fish or Chicken or lean meat, Veggies, lil whole wheat noodle
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

Dinner(Same as lunch)
Protien: 27 grams
Carbs: 28 grams
Fats: 5 grams Calories: 220

Protien PWO Shake ON Whey(cookies n cream taste like caramel coffee)
2 Scoops after Weight Training
Protien: 48 grams
Carbs: 8 grams
Fats: 2 grams Calories: 240

TOTALS:
Calories: 1280
Protien: 173 grams
Carbs: 124 or 96 grams(sometimes will opt out on carbs for dinner)
Fats: 30 grams

It's not that bad but I don't think you're eating enough. I would also put ALL of the carbs in after your W/O.

You can do it, it's just going to take time and most don't want to hear that.

Post up some questions in the diet section, wait on the cycle.

**heckler7** · 03-30-2011, 03:21 PM

those pice aren't the greatest, but you dont look like 23% bodyfat, unless yous gots a ghetto bootie. Ask a trainer at your gym to measure you, they should be able to tell you your BF%

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 03:23 PM

Gear is on the way and I guess It is going to have to wait. I've have got nothing but time. I understand your first cycle should be your best and I dont want to hinder my benefits by not doing it right the first time.

Alright, to the Diet section I go.

**Built** · 03-30-2011, 03:35 PM

Read homework 1 in my sig for the coles' notes version for diet.

**sassy69** · 03-30-2011, 03:54 PM

Definitely need to revisit diet - if you're trying to do anythign on 1300 calories, about all you can really accomplish w/o muscle loss is sleeping. The goal is to eat enough to let your body meet your energy goals, set up a great burn rate and then keep it going. Starvation diet will make you drop "weight" for a while, but that weight will invariably include muscle mass. Adding in cardio will just increase catabolism. And eventually your metabolism will just adjust down anyway and stall out.

**yurpimpdaddi** · 03-30-2011, 03:56 PM

Oh thats a great thread built!

**awhites1** · 03-30-2011, 04:00 PM

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**Ravager** · 03-30-2011, 04:36 PM

How old are you?

You seem to have a great attitude, the shot about being huge was a funny one

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 04:41 PM

I am 25. Yeah, that was a funny one. I am stonger and bigger then I have ever been. I suprise myself in the gym when a 25 lbs dumbell seems rough, I grab and 30 lbs and it seems to go smoother. I am heading to the diet section, basically going to repost my stats and get some fresh advice from the guru's over there.

thanks again everybody

**vannesb** · 03-30-2011, 05:09 PM

Work on your foundation dont think you are ready yet!

**james-27** · 03-30-2011, 05:16 PM

25 lbs dumbell seems rough, I grab and 30 lbs and it seems to go smoother.

**justhav2p** · 03-30-2011, 05:29 PM

why is that a questionable sentence? I did back today and with dumbell rows for my lats I pumped 12 reps with the 25 lbs. Then grabbed a 30 lbs and pumped 8. went to 35 lbs pumped 6. The 25 and the 35 seemed rough, the 30 was spot on.

I wrote all this for you james. all this for you.

**stronger4ever** · 03-30-2011, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by heckler7

those pice aren't the greatest, but you dont look like 23% bodyfat, unless yous gots a ghetto bootie. Ask a trainer at your gym to measure you, they should be able to tell you your BF%

No dude, he's definetively in his mid 20's. If he was a experience person that was bulking and maybe got to fat it could be his bf was in the high teens low twenties. But this guy doesn't seem to have much experience dieting, and I imagine training either. If he had some muscle underneath those boobies I would give him the benefit of the doubt but he doesn't.

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