Thread: revised 2nd cycle scope this shit outagain

2500 cals aren't going to do nothing. You need to WAY up that.

Why tren man? It's your second cycle, why not try dbol or tbol?

If you must take Tren, take a short acting ester, or you could be in for weeks of misery. I agree you have to up the calories. Your maintenance calories are over 2500, much less trying to make gains.

agree with both posts posted already. correct me if im worng but dont most cut the tren 2 weeks before the test much like deca? anyhow 12 wks of tren is alot. tren is a lot for a second cycle period then to be doing enanthate on top of that. setting urself up for some potential misery. if u must do it...go acetate and id stop 2 weeks before the test is complete.

well im trying to cut upppppppp........... lose fat......... ok wel maybe the tren isnt a good ideai just wanna cut up get straight shredded get 12% down to 8% what would a good cycle be anavar instead or what

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

well im trying to cut upppppppp........... lose fat......... ok wel maybe the tren isnt a good ideai just wanna cut up get straight shredded get 12% down to 8% what would a good cycle be anavar instead or what

i personally dont have any experience with anavar but from what i hear it gives u mild but solid gains that stick with you while decreasing BF primarily in the abdomen. maybe someone else with first hand experience could offer more info. gave any thought to masteron with ur test for cutting?

you wont gain alot off anavar but what you do gain will be solid high quilty muscle, its also not horrible on the liver but you do need to take var at a pretty high dose to see effects from it but it might help you cut up a bit, try tossing that in and see how it goes and lose the tren if yea like the var then maybe the next cycle try the tren and toss the var in with it!

The Tren E would need to be discontinued two weeks before the test or recovery will be a bitch. I agree with MDR that a first time Tren user should stick to the Acetate variety, but I also agree with TGB's post in your other thread, that a novice AAS user should not play around with Tren.

Cutting is all diet, so don't get stuck on specific drug combos to accomplish this. For your goals the most effective AAS to stack with test would probably be primo depot at 400-600mg/wk This drug has virtually no sides and is good for nice steady gains in lean mass.

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

ok people after the first post of my 2nd cycle i revised it cleaned it up a little bit and came up with this, because of the fact that TGB has some fetish with aromasin i threw that in there instead of letro ( he sounds knowledgable in the field also)

weeks 1-12 500mg test e
weeks 1-12 300mg tren e
aromasin 25mg a day
500 hcg twice a week from week 8-12
week 13 1000iu hcg eod
week 14 clomid 100/100/50/50 aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

now whats up


eating 2500 calories a day with 300 grams of protein trying to cut my stats are 6/3 220 12% bf

I agree and disagee with some of the other posts. GMO is dead on when stating it's all about diet. 99.9% of you dropping weight is going to be about your diet. Gear ONLY prevents some LBM loss, you're going to lose some no matter what you do or how much gear you run, this is a fact.

You're calories are a little low but if you're supersetting and doing metabolic work without cardio then you're fine. What's that plan look like? What does the diet look like?

I would add in some pramipexole for precaution, .15-.25mg ED would be fine at that dose.

Combining diet with 'Var at 60-70mg ED already has my mid section leaning out even more and I'm into Week 3. The Var is amazing - at least in my case it is. But it wouldn't do what it's doing if I was careless with my diet. I also am getting between 3,500 - 4K calories ED, and running Test Cyp at 625mg EW. On the Var, I notice my pants starting to fall off and therefore I have had to tighten up the belt to the last hole. The Var is helping me achieve exactly what I had hoped it would. Getting harder and more defined/chiseled in the abs. The two pics I have reflect status back in December, well before getting a little bigger and well before I started the 'Var. I'll update shorlty so you can see results of the 'Var. I will advocate strongly to incorporate the Var into your cycle if, and only if, your diet is on point and you know what you're doing in all other dpmts.

thank you all gentlemen

just a question tho when you say my calories are low im trying to cut fat wouldnt it almost be the lower the better as long as im taking in enuff protein

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

just a question tho when you say my calories are low im trying to cut fat wouldnt it almost be the lower the better as long as im taking in enuff protein

NO. If you're not eating enough your body will go into starvation mode and you will not lose BF.

Without sufficient caloric intake - epsecially on aas - your body will go into cannibal-mode and began to eat its own muscle. Not a good idea. You want to retian as much LBM as possible - not wither away into a weak, feeble, syphaletic wreck.