Thread: 1st Cycle

Okay bro your test cyp will just be kicking in around the 4th week, your going to want to run that for at least 10 weeks, also the nolva I wouldn't take on cycle unless you start to see signs of gyno so take that outta their as well, you'll want to run the clomid 4 weeks dosed around 100/50/50/50

Thanks ny1nest. So plan now will be test cyp for 10weeks, No nolva unless needed, Clomid 4 weeks 100/50/50/50.
Do I still run the winstrol and HCG as per my cycle?
Cheers

whoa this cycle is all fucked up bro, no offence you need alot of work on this

Originally Posted by mastersim

Hi guys, Thanks for having me here. Im from the land of OZ. My stats are Age 28, weight 80kg, 6'5 hight. Bench 105kgs.
Been hitting gym for the last few years and wanting to gain some HUGE GAINS! I eat and EAT and cant pass 80kg and I cant seem to get bigger so I want to try the anabolic stuff out.

My Planned 1st Cycle is:
week 1- 6 = test cyp 400mg a week
week 2 -7 = Winstrol 50mg Daily
Week 4-7 = Nolvadex 10mg Daily
Week 7 and 8 = 5000iu HCG per week (any help on this dosage will help)
Week 7 - 9 = Clomid 100mg a day, then last week 50mg a day.

Does this sound ok? Or any tweaks anyone suggests? Is the HCG neccessary? reading forums, they say no need to, some say you do. Any help would be greatful

Thank You

i would bump the test up to 500mg first off
second off no winstrol, since it is your first cycle you should keep it to test only
like nest said only use nolva in case of gyno
what are you using for an AI? i recommend aromasin
and wth is up with the 5000iu hcg? do week 2-? 250iu-500iu per week and then during pct bump it up but 5000iu is asking for trouble ive never heard of more then 1000iu per week, also you dont need the hcg but it will help keep your boys big
someone will come help a little more and polish off what i started

also if you could put your weights in pounds that would help me im to lazy to convert your kgs to pounds

also please, please, please, scroll up to the stickies and read the one titled, first cycle and pct

Thanks for all your responses guys. My weight converted to pounds is 176pounds. I have the winstrol already and thats why i added it in there. There is way to much info on the net about this that it confuses me.
I Read the thread also which was informative and will try the advice on first cycles.
If anyone here would like to show their 1 Cycle they tried and how they went?

Cheers again guys

read my "first cycle log" in this section

Ok, have been following along ManInBlack and going to use his cycle and have almost all the gear. Im a bit worried now coz MenInBlacks nutsack has shrunk and also coz my wife wants to be preggas aswell. Anyone give me a dose of what substance to use to avoid shrinkage and also get my wife pregs?
Thanks guys

Originally Posted by mastersim

Ok, have been following along ManInBlack and going to use his cycle and have almost all the gear. Im a bit worried now coz MenInBlacks nutsack has shrunk and also coz my wife wants to be preggas aswell. Anyone give me a dose of what substance to use to avoid shrinkage and also get my wife pregs?
Thanks guys

HcG is used to control sack size and keep testes outputting test

Originally Posted by Hell

HcG is used to control sack size and keep testes outputting test

Thanks Hell, how much dosage you recommend. During and PCT?

Originally Posted by mastersim

Hi guys, Thanks for having me here. Im from the land of OZ. My stats are Age 28, weight 80kg, 6'5 hight. Bench 105kgs.
Been hitting gym for the last few years and wanting to gain some HUGE GAINS! I eat and EAT and cant pass 80kg and I cant seem to get bigger so I want to try the anabolic stuff out.

My Planned 1st Cycle is:
week 1- 6 = test cyp 400mg a week
week 2 -7 = Winstrol 50mg Daily
Week 4-7 = Nolvadex 10mg Daily
Week 7 and 8 = 5000iu HCG per week (any help on this dosage will help)
Week 7 - 9 = Clomid 100mg a day, then last week 50mg a day.

Does this sound ok? Or any tweaks anyone suggests? Is the HCG neccessary? reading forums, they say no need to, some say you do. Any help would be greatful

Thank You

Wk1-10 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
Wk6-11 Winstrol 50mg ED
Wk1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Wk3-11 Hcg 250iu x2/wk
Wk12-15 Clomid 100/100/75/50 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

For your cycle, hcg is not absolutely necessary, but it will make recovery easier. It is up to you whether or not you want to use it.

Originally Posted by GMO

Wk1-10 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
Wk6-11 Winstrol 50mg ED
Wk1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Wk3-11 Hcg 250iu x2/wk
Wk12-15 Clomid 100/100/75/50 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

For your cycle, hcg is not absolutely necessary, but it will make recovery easier. It is up to you whether or not you want to use it.

Thanks GMO, Ill take your advice on board. So I dont need to take HCG during PCT either?
Is this HCG any good aswell?
Proferti-C 5000 i.u. (Highly Purified)
US Brand : Novarel
Manufacturer : Chandra Bhagat Pharma
Strength: 5000 i.u.

Originally Posted by mastersim

Thanks GMO, Ill take your advice on board. So I dont need to take HCG during PCT either?
Is this HCG any good aswell?
Proferti-C 5000 i.u. (Highly Purified)
US Brand : Novarel
Manufacturer : Chandra Bhagat Pharma
Strength: 5000 i.u.

You never want to use hcg during PCT as it suppresses natural LH output. I don't know anything about brands of hcg, so I can't help you there.

I'm having a hard time deciding on a first cycle too. Here's a few I'm looking at and maybe modifying-

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/beginners-bulk-cycle-p399

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/beginners-cut-cycle-p400

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/basic-starters-mass-stack-p482

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/basic-lean-mass-strength-stack-p483

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/athlete-s-endurance-stack-p405

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/side-free-quality-gains-cycle-p484

napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/10-weeks-simple-stack-p470

I'm thinking an injectable kicker like Prop with another Test similar to Sten or Testoviron with 2 of these Bold, Deca,Tren, or Primo, but I'm leaning towards Primo and Tren with the Test blend.

For your first cycle you don't need any stacks, just do test e for 12 weeks with HCG 500ui e5d starting day 10 and ending 10 days after last test e shot. Then regular PCT clomid + nolva.

So HCG twice a week. Is that pinning on different day to the Test Cyp? If im pinning Monday and Thursday for test Cyp, would Tuesday and Friday do for the HCG?

It doesn't matter, if you are doing e5d protocol you are bound to inject on the same day as test injections couple of times.

How is this sounding guys?
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp. 500mg per week
Weeks 1-12 Arimidex .25mg ED (throughout duration of cycle/PCT)
Weeks 8-13 Winstrol 50mg ED
Wk4-13 Hcg 250iu x2/wk
PCT (starting 3 days after last week of HCG):
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 75mg ED
Clomid 50mg ED

Any thoughts now would be great. Im looking forward to this and thank everybody for their responses. Any more thoughts would be greatful?
Cheers Guys

Originally Posted by mastersim

How is this sounding guys?
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp. 500mg per week
Weeks 1-12 Arimidex .25mg ED (throughout duration of cycle/PCT)
Weeks 8-13 Winstrol 50mg ED
Wk4-13 Hcg 250iu x2/wk
PCT (starting 3 days after last week of HCG):
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 75mg ED
Clomid 50mg ED

Any thoughts now would be great. Im looking forward to this and thank everybody for their responses. Any more thoughts would be greatful?
Cheers Guys

The arimidex dose looks low.

.5mg EOD seems to be the popular dose ran on cycle.

Edit: I see you plan on running .25mg ED. If that is the case, my mistake. Same difference.

Originally Posted by mastersim

How is this sounding guys?
Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp. 500mg per week
Weeks 1-12 Arimidex .25mg ED (throughout duration of cycle/PCT)
Weeks 8-13 Winstrol 50mg ED
Wk4-13 Hcg 250iu x2/wk
PCT (starting 3 days after last week of HCG):
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 100mg ED
Clomid 75mg ED
Clomid 50mg ED

Any thoughts now would be great. Im looking forward to this and thank everybody for their responses. Any more thoughts would be greatful?
Cheers Guys

looks good to me, just curious why did you choose winny? You will probably have good results without it, but if you like I think you could keep it in, even though its your first cycle. Personally I'd replace it with something like dbol for the first 3-4 weeks. You're probably gonna get kinda impatient waiting for the test to kick in and the dbol will give you some "immediate satisfaction" lol. If you already have the winny that's fine, just don't run both. Also I'd strongly suggest at least having some nolva on hand. I'm kinda gyno prone and its not something you want to take chances with. Also make sure you have enough arimidex in case you need to up your dose

Originally Posted by Digitalash

looks good to me, just curious why did you choose winny? You will probably have good results without it, but if you like I think you could keep it in, even though its your first cycle. Personally I'd replace it with something like dbol for the first 3-4 weeks. You're probably gonna get kinda impatient waiting for the test to kick in and the dbol will give you some "immediate satisfaction" lol. If you already have the winny that's fine, just don't run both. Also I'd strongly suggest at least having some nolva on hand. I'm kinda gyno prone and its not something you want to take chances with. Also make sure you have enough arimidex in case you need to up your dose

He said he already has winny, so that's why he's using it.

Cycle looks good. Have fun.

Thanks guys. I feel much more confident now. I look forward to smashing records and getting HUGE!
Thanks again

Drop the winny.<------notice the period!

If this is your 1st cycle and something goes wrong how will you know if its the test or the winny?

I know you already have it, so what, save it for your next cycle!

Just use the test for your 1st cycle then go from there! This is why you need to read the stickies!

Everyone here likes to help, but it is up to you what goes into your body!

AAS can be very dangerous and you need to take it slow, you jump in head first you might not come out!

You are 6'5 and only weigh 176? Christ man you need to eat. Keep in mind how important a good diet is for cycling. Without proper nutrition all the juice in the world won't pack on size. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Dolfan84

You are 6'5 and only weigh 176? Christ man you need to eat. Keep in mind how important a good diet is for cycling. Without proper nutrition all the juice in the world won't pack on size. Best of luck.

Good point, if you are so skinny why do you want to run the winny????

So sorry guys, I am 5'5 high. My mistake. Im a short Italian haha Im training hard as I been for the past few years and I know that food is the major important factor in muscle gain.
Mr Big: I have had winstrol tabs before so if something goes wrong, would it be approipriate to blame the Test C?
Thanks again guys

Originally Posted by mastersim

So sorry guys, I am 5'5 high. My mistake. Im a short Italian haha Im training hard as I been for the past few years and I know that food is the major important factor in muscle gain.
Mr Big: I have had winstrol tabs before so if something goes wrong, would it be approipriate to blame the Test C?
Thanks again guys

So this isn't your first cycle?

I personally would not use Winstrol to try and gain mass, It's used mainly to cut! Deca would be my choice to gain mass, (heck, Test alone will add mass!) Maybe kick start it off with some dbol! I'm linking you a read on Winstrol, please read it!

Winstrol Cycles