bulk then cut question

**buckeye1** · 04-09-2011, 12:36 AM

my current cycle looks like this
1-4 60mg dbol
1-16 750mg test e
1-14 400 mg deca
8-16 100mg oral winny ed

THEN

2cc per day of 150 cut mix
8 weeks of this and then standard PCT

Will this work? Anyone tried it here?

My bulk is getting out of control. None of my pants will fit me. All day i walk around in sweats. something gotta change soon. Im up 40lbs in 45 days. I gotta slow down. Im a god in the gym when I move the weights but shit its hard putting on a pair of jeans.

I really havent gotten fatter but im very swole even with an AI eod. At this pace im gonna top 270 at the end of this month. Just last summer i was 201. i need to cut asap.

will the winny help 2 months before the tren/prop/mast/ cut blend starts?

**maxbrokeneck** · 04-09-2011, 01:33 AM

so you'd start this cut cycle right after week 16? 24 weeks is way too long of a cycle if you plan on ever coming off imo. I'd wait at least 16 weeks before starting it if I was you. Of course, it'll be fall by then, so you may want to try and cut drug-free after this cycle. The "cut mix" is test and tren right?

**faon** · 04-09-2011, 01:40 AM

Cut blend is test tren and mast I believe, that is way to long of a cycle, also 2cc of cut mix ed? Seems like quite a bit imo, I dont remember how much is in cut mix, but I know when I looked into it I never planned on 2cc

**Getfit75** · 04-09-2011, 08:37 AM

if you were 201 last summer and still have so much gains still on.. Why run another bulk cycle? Why didnt you run the cut blend on this cycle.. What is your bf%? Actually what are your stats??

**Getfit75** · 04-09-2011, 08:39 AM

if your bf is low, why not finish that cycle your on with mast?

**Supermans Daddy** · 04-09-2011, 09:31 AM

My thoughts are that you must be carry'n a swim'n pool worth of water. I don't really understand the Winny in the bulk part but thats neither here nor there.I'd think that once you change from the long esters to shorter ones that should help.I'd imagine that once you come off you'll lose a lot of that 40 day 45lb gain. As far as ready made blends , cutstack or whatever I've never seen one that made sense to me, too many varibles to consider for a generic "one size fits all" approach IMO so I can't comment on that part.
Good Luck with your protocol.

Peace and Love

**Dolfan84** · 04-09-2011, 09:46 AM

40 lbs in 45 days? Damn how much water you holding? Maybe increase AI to ED.

**buckeye1** · 04-09-2011, 09:49 AM

here are the stats you asked for. 36, 5 11", 252 BF% 14.5

I should of never of bulked. I was getting my head stuck around the idea of lifting bigger weights. I had a plan to bench 405 and then to rep 225x25. Well Ive done both of those now and really just want to lean out before july. Thats why i figured to use a little winny at the end.

My bad, i meant 2cc eod.

**Supermans Daddy** · 04-09-2011, 01:04 PM

It sounds a if you may have not thought your compounds thru for the purpose's you needed. You perhaps chose a method base'n your strength increase on add'n weight and worked your protocol accordnly. You could for the next time use compounds that would focus on strength and not size so much. At 250 plus you could focus on compounds that work that way. You can also try shorter esters such as TPP which is the miss'n link between prop and cyp halflife and offer the same lack of water rentenion as prop. Also use of Tbol as a sub for Dbol ( they are not the same but Tbol will offer good strength gains as well as low water retention.) will give moderate size gains as well ( and your liver will love you for it lol). Tbol can be used the same as Winny as far as a " finish'n" compound with great success as well and is a lil kinder to the joints. You can also use this

Androgenic to Anabolic Ratios

Compound:---------------------------------Androgenic------Anabolic
1-Testosterone------------------------------------100------200
Anabolicum Vister(Quinbolone)(oral Boldenone)--------50------100
Anadrol 50(Oxymetholone)---------------------------45------320
Anadur(Nandrolone Hexyloxyphenylpropionate)---------37-----125
Anatrofin(Stenbolone Acetate)------------------107-144-----267-332
Anavar(Oxandrolone)--------------------------------24------322-630
Andractim(Dihydrotestosteron)-------------------30-260-----60-220
Andriol(Testosterone Undecanoate)-----------------100------100
Androderm(Testosterone)---------------------------100------100
Androgel(Testosterone)-----------------------------100------100
Boldabol(Boldenone Acetate)-------------------------50------100
Cheque Drops(Mibolerone)-------------------------1,800------4,100
Danocrine(Danazol)----------------------------------37------125
Deca-Durabolin(Nandrolone Decanoate)---------------37------125
Deposterona(Testosterone Blend)-------------------100------100
Dianabol(Methandrostenolone)--------------------40-60------90-210
Dimethyltrienolone------------------------------10,000+-----10,000+
Dinandrol(Nandrolone Blend)--------------------------37------125
Durabolin(NPP)--------------------------------------37------125
Dynabol(Nandrolone Cypionate)----------------------37------125
Equipoise(Boldenone Undecylenate)------------------50------100
Esiclene(Formebolone)----------------------------No Data Available
Genabol(Norbolethone)------------------------------17------350
Halotestin(Fluoxymesterone)-----------------------850------1,900
Hydroxytestosterone--------------------------------25------65
Laurabolin(Nandrolone Laurate)----------------------37------125
Madol(Desoxymethyltestosterone)------------------187------1,200
Masteron(Drostanolone Propionate)---------------25-40------62-130
Megagrisevit-Mono(Clostebol Acetate)---------------25------46
MENT(Methylnortestosterone Acetate)--------------650------2,300
Mestanolone-----------------------------------78-254------107
Methandriol(Mythelandrostenediol)----------------30-60------20-60
Methyl-1-Testosterone------------------------100-220------910-1,600
Methyldienolone-------------------------------200-300------1,000
Methylhydroxynandrolone(MHN)---------------------281------1304
Methyltestosterone-----------------------------94-130------115-150
Metribolone(Methyltrienolone)---------------6,000-7,000------12,000-30,000
Miotolan(Furazabol)------------------------------73-94------270-330
Myagen(Bolasterone)-------------------------------300------575
Nilevar(Norethandrolone)-------------------------22-55------100-200
Omnadren(Testosterone Blend)---------------------100------100
Orabolin(Ethylestrenol)--------------------------20-400------200-400
Oral Turinabol------------------------------------None------100+
Oranabol(Oxymesterone)----------------------------50------330
Orgasteron(Normethandrolone)-----------------325-580------110-125
Parabolan(Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)----------500------500
Primobolan(Methenolone Acetate)-----------------44-57------88
Primobolan Depot(Methenolone Enanthate)--------44-57------88
Prostanozol----------------------------------------n/a------n/a
Protabol(Thiomesterone)----------------------------61------456
Proviron(Mesterolone)---------------------------30-40------100-150
Sanabolicum(Nandrolone Cyclohexylpropionate)------37------125
Steranabol Ritardo(Oxabolone Cypionate)---------20-60------50-90
Superdrol(Methyldrostanolone)---------------------400------20
Sustanon 100 & 250-------------------------------100------100
Synovex(Testosterone Propionate & Estradiol)-------100------100
Test 400------------------------------------------100------100
Test Enanthate/Cypionate/Propionate/Susp & Blends-100------100
THG(Tetrahydrogestrinone)-----------------------No Data Available
Tren Acetate/Enanthate & Blends-------------------500------500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)---------------------------------30----320

I'm assume'n you understand what androgenic and anabolic mean, here's the info you'll need to work with.

Best of luck Homey.

Peace and Love

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