Thread: working out the kinks of new cutting cycle

bump for advice....

Might not be the best idea to start tren for the first time with hgh for the first time as it would be difficult to tell what is causing you sides if you get them. That is also a very very low tren dose, dont forget the ester weight of enanthate means you are getting about 140mg of tren per week off of 200mg injection.

$1500 limit? Lol thats like a dream cycle for me. I usually keep it less than $400.

Wish I had a 1500 dollar limit

You never tried tren so i will suggest to use tren a start with 50 EOD and see how you react to sides then increase slowly to see the best dose. Then in the future use tren e.
Also increase your HGH to 4 or 5 IU's a day, 2-3 Iu is not going to do anything.
Don't use nolva with tren it is 19 nor, not a good idea. Use clomid instead. GMO or TGB1987 can give better advise on the amount you need.

You can also use 75-100 mg T3 all 24 weeks.(depending on the sides)
This is what i can suggest but vets will probably add much more info..

PS you can also use glucosamine starting week 1 for your joints, winstrol will/might dry your joints.

Originally Posted by redz

Might not be the best idea to start tren for the first time with hgh for the first time as it would be difficult to tell what is causing you sides if you get them. That is also a very very low tren dose, dont forget the ester weight of enanthate means you are getting about 140mg of tren per week off of 200mg injection.

True, but in general the side effects of each are pretty different, minus the joint pain which is present in both. Ugh actually now that I'm thinking about tren/winny/hgh might wreak a little to much havoc on my joints....

Yeah my plan all along was 200mg 2x a week....actually a last minute decision to change to 100mg 2x a week....thinking I'll change it back to 200mg and swap the winny out for tbol...

What do you think about doing prop/tren a/masteron in place of tren e/test e/tbol?

Originally Posted by maxbrokeneck

$1500 limit? Lol thats like a dream cycle for me. I usually keep it less than $400.

Originally Posted by nyf1nest

Wish I had a 1500 dollar limit

LOL, yeah I'm cheap most of the time...figure gotta splurge on something....It was this or the big screen TV

Originally Posted by Imosted

You never tried tren so i will suggest to use tren a start with 50 EOD and see how you react to sides then increase slowly to see the best dose. Then in the future use tren e.
Also increase your HGH to 4 or 5 IU's a day, 2-3 Iu is not going to do anything.
Don't use nolva with tren it is 19 nor, not a good idea. Use clomid instead. GMO or TGB1987 can give better advise on the amount you need.

You can also use 75-100 mg T3 all 24 weeks.(depending on the sides)
This is what i can suggest but vets will probably add much more info..

PS you can also use glucosamine starting week 1 for your joints, winstrol will/might dry your joints.

Thanks for the advice on the HGH. Have you use it personally? I've kind of been torn on the dosage (most recommendations I see fall within the 2-6 iu range).

Really T3 for that long? What's the reasoning behind that....I've always read keep it under 5 weeks and that over exposure to synthetic T3 could cause backlash to your body's natural thyroid production

Thanks, glucosamine is a great idea I honestly forgot how tough this cycle is going to be on my joints...

Thanks

On second thought you can use t3 while on cycle with test because without test you will loose muscle, some people say t3 might stop your natural production but it is not proven, people use it 60 months even years without stopping but when they come off their natural production turns back to normal.

Personally, I would bump the tren up to closer to 300 to 350mg per week with the amount of test your going to run. 200mg a week may work but i like to keep my tren above 50-60% of the test that Im supplementing. I would go with cabaser for prolactin sides instead of bromocriptine. bromo is a dopamine agonist and i try to stay away from it. I do not want to mess with my dopamine natural production or any dopamine receptors. Dopamine is good shit i'd like keep it just as it is. You know that satisfied feeling you get right after you blow your wad? You can thank dopamine for that! Im not tampering with it!
As for your T3 and clen. I personally run T3 no longer than 6-7 weeks with clen for the first 2 weeks and the last 2 weeks

Originally Posted by Imosted

On second thought you can use t3 while on cycle with test because without test you will loose muscle, some people say t3 might stop your natural production but it is not proven, people use it 60 months even years without stopping but when they come off their natural production turns back to normal.

As for other comments about long term T3 usage posted above... Everything in Your endocrine system works off of the same concept... negative/positive feedback. Some people may return back to normal immediately after long term T3 usage but it depends on the person. Inhibiting natural production of anything for that long could cause some serious issues. I havent dealt with this first hand so anything is possible but the science leans towards short term usage for no issues in the future.

Originally Posted by manbag83

Personally, I would bump the tren up to closer to 300 to 350mg per week with the amount of test your going to run. 200mg a week may work but i like to keep my tren above 50-60% of the test that Im supplementing. I would go with cabaser for prolactin sides instead of bromocriptine. bromo is a dopamine agonist and i try to stay away from it. I do not want to mess with my dopamine natural production or any dopamine receptors. Dopamine is good shit i'd like keep it just as it is. You know that satisfied feeling you get right after you blow your wad? You can thank dopamine for that! Im not tampering with it!
As for your T3 and clen. I personally run T3 no longer than 6-7 weeks with clen for the first 2 weeks and the last 2 weeks



As for other comments about long term T3 usage posted above... Everything in Your endocrine system works off of the same concept... negative/positive feedback. Some people may return back to normal immediately after long term T3 usage but it depends on the person. Inhibiting natural production of anything for that long could cause some serious issues. I havent dealt with this first hand so anything is possible but the science leans towards short term usage for no issues in the future.

Thanks, I'll look into the caber in place of the bromo....

Proposed Cycle
During Cycle
Weeks 1-10 Test Ethanate 250mg 2x a week
Weeks 1-10 Tren Ethanate 200mg 2x a week
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 40mg ED
weeks 3-10 Bromcriptine 2.5 mg
weeks 1-10 Anastrozole .5 mg EOD
weeks 1-24 HGH 2-3iu daily
Clen/T3 wks 2-4 and wks 8-10

Post Cycle
1200iu hcg twice weekly for 3 wks taken 1 wk after last injection
Weeks 11-13 Anastrozole at .5mgs ED 3 wks
Weeks 13-16 Nolva wks 40, 20, 20, 20
Weeks 13-16 Clen/Ketotifen

Weeks - 17-24 will only consist of HGH only. I'll also begin adding back in my staple supps again i.e. Creatine, beta alanine, natty test booster

Questions
1.) Any overall comments torward my cycle (poor combinations, cycle lengths, dosage, ect...)
2.) HGH was a kind of a late add I've been contemplating. Am I going overboard? At 27 do you think I'd see good results?
Should I remove the HGH or one of the other compounds?
3.) If I were to include the HGH I'd have a total of 400-500 IUs, what do you think would be the best dosage/cycle length? Blue top hygetropin
3.) I'm a little worried about taking tren and winny together? Do you think this going to be to hard on my joints? Maybe replace the Winny w/ TBOL? Or the Tren w/ masteron (downside here would be the increase pinning which I'd like to avoid)? Or maybe just remove winny altogther?
4.) One final choice is a blend that contains test prop/tren ace/masteron. EOD, 50mg each for 10 wks. This would replace the tren/test E/winny outlined above.