HGH or steroids

**Buffanition** · 04-15-2011, 09:43 AM

I recently had two of my friends approach me about use steriods and or HGH. I really don't know too much about them other than I use to be a lot bigger and strong than my friends until they started using. My one friend really made a case for HGH and I am strongly considering using it. Any opinions or suggestions?

**TGB1987** · 04-15-2011, 09:49 AM

What are your stats? Age? Cycle history? Training Exp? Bodyfat%? It seems to me that you don't know enough about AAS or HGH to use them but if you are of age and everything else is in range it would not take long to learn the basics.

**Buffanition** · 04-15-2011, 09:57 AM

21
no previous cycle history
Wieght training for the last 5 years BF 16%

**TGB1987** · 04-15-2011, 10:14 AM

You need to get the bodyfat done to get the best results. 10-12% is optimal. You do not need HGH. You are too young for HGH right now IMO. You could think about AAS just Testosterone to be specific for a first cycle. To get the most out of your cycle I would wait another 2 years at least to use AAS. Keep gaining naturally and trying to lower bodyfat. All the extra muscle you gain without steroid will make it better for you when you decide to go ahead and use AAS. Stay with us on this site and by the time you are 23 you will know everything you need to know. Read the stickies for info and continue to pay attention to the questions on this forum. Keep at the weights.

**Buffanition** · 04-15-2011, 10:19 AM

Thanks best advice i've heard so far

**VictorZ06** · 04-15-2011, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

You need to get the bodyfat done to get the best results. 10-12% is optimal. You do not need HGH. You are too young for HGH right now IMO. You could think about AAS just Testosterone to be specific for a first cycle. To get the most out of your cycle I would wait another 2 years at least to use AAS. Keep gaining naturally and trying to lower bodyfat. All the extra muscle you gain without steroid will make it better for you when you decide to go ahead and use AAS. Stay with us on this site and by the time you are 23 you will know everything you need to know. Read the stickies for info and continue to pay attention to the questions on this forum. Keep at the weights.

Well put bro.

/V

**ROID** · 04-15-2011, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Buffanition

I recently had two of my friends approach me about use steriods and or HGH. I really don't know too much about them other than I use to be a lot bigger and strong than my friends until they started using. My one friend really made a case for HGH and I am strongly considering using it. Any opinions or suggestions?

I'm curious what your friend said about HGH ?

You should put yourself in a position where you know more than the bros at the gym. If your gym is anything like some of the gyms I have worked out in then it won't be hard.

I enjoy the YMCA now. I don't have to hear all the garbage coming from retarded juice heads, damn cheaters

**PRIDE.** · 04-15-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

You need to get the bodyfat done to get the best results. 10-12% is optimal. You do not need HGH. You are too young for HGH right now IMO. You could think about AAS just Testosterone to be specific for a first cycle. To get the most out of your cycle I would wait another 2 years at least to use AAS. Keep gaining naturally and trying to lower bodyfat. All the extra muscle you gain without steroid will make it better for you when you decide to go ahead and use AAS. Stay with us on this site and by the time you are 23 you will know everything you need to know. Read the stickies for info and continue to pay attention to the questions on this forum. Keep at the weights.

This is a good post!

You need to learn as much as you can about the compounds you intend to inject into your body. Once you feel you are ready, a low dose of Test is all one would need for their first couple of runs, and if all variables are in place (diet, training, sleep, bf%, etc.) you will see amazing results!

**vortex** · 04-15-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

You need to get the bodyfat done to get the best results. 10-12% is optimal. You do not need HGH. You are too young for HGH right now IMO. You could think about AAS just Testosterone to be specific for a first cycle. To get the most out of your cycle I would wait another 2 years at least to use AAS. Keep gaining naturally and trying to lower bodyfat. All the extra muscle you gain without steroid will make it better for you when you decide to go ahead and use AAS. Stay with us on this site and by the time you are 23 you will know everything you need to know. Read the stickies for info and continue to pay attention to the questions on this forum. Keep at the weights.

Great post!!

**tupin** · 04-15-2011, 12:54 PM

Your body will continue to produce HGH at about 2iu/ed until about 30. If you put synthetic HGH into the body before you're 30 there's a good chance that your body will reduce the production of natural growth hormone. Even the AAS intake before 25 could cause your body's endocrine system to slow down natural Test production.

**sscar** · 04-15-2011, 01:51 PM

What is considered a moderate dose per week of hgh and is it a weekly or daily injection?

**Kathybird** · 04-15-2011, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by tupin

Your body will continue to produce HGH at about 2iu/ed until about 30. If you put synthetic HGH into the body before you're 30 there's a good chance that your body will reduce the production of natural growth hormone. Even the AAS intake before 25 could cause your body's endocrine system to slow down natural Test production.

Interesting. Let me hijack a moment... would you know anything about females in this position? And perhaps how HGH would relate to a pregnancy after age 30?

**BigBird** · 04-15-2011, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kathybird

Interesting. Let me hijack a moment... would you know anything about females in this position? And perhaps how HGH would relate to a pregnancy after age 30?

That's a serious question there. I would highly advise a question of such caliber get directed to a qualified MD and only a qualified MD.

**Beef-Master** · 04-15-2011, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

That's a serious question there. I would highly advise a question of such caliber get directed to a qualified MD and only a qualified MD.

Agreed, an Endocrinologist would be the MD specialist you would want to talk to.

**BigBird** · 04-15-2011, 02:47 PM

As would an OBGYN since they specialize in pregnancy. Better yet, a mutated Endo/OB MD!!

**VictorZ06** · 04-15-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by sscar

What is considered a moderate dose per week of hgh and is it a weekly or daily injection?

3-5iu ED (21-30iu EW) is a average/moderate dose for most. IMHO.

/V

**Vick** · 04-15-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

You need to get the bodyfat done to get the best results. 10-12% is optimal. You do not need HGH. You are too young for HGH right now IMO. You could think about AAS just Testosterone to be specific for a first cycle. To get the most out of your cycle I would wait another 2 years at least to use AAS. Keep gaining naturally and trying to lower bodyfat. All the extra muscle you gain without steroid will make it better for you when you decide to go ahead and use AAS. Stay with us on this site and by the time you are 23 you will know everything you need to know. Read the stickies for info and continue to pay attention to the questions on this forum. Keep at the weights.

Took the words right out of my mouth, nice to see a good post.

**sscar** · 04-15-2011, 03:06 PM

thanks victorz06

**World-Pharma.org** · 04-15-2011, 03:34 PM

first diet,then rest

**Supermans Daddy** · 04-15-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

3-5iu ED (21-30iu EW) is a average/moderate dose for most. IMHO.

/V

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**sassy69** · 04-15-2011, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Buffanition

I recently had two of my friends approach me about use steriods and or HGH. I really don't know too much about them other than I use to be a lot bigger and strong than my friends until they started using. My one friend really made a case for HGH and I am strongly considering using it. Any opinions or suggestions?

This was alluded to above - but in order to talk about "making a case for" either of these, we have to look at what you are expecting from either of these. Tho they are both hormones, lets be very clear that steroids are anabolics, GH is NOT. GH on its own will NOT produce the type of muscle growth people think about when they think about "drugs". Steroids will, with GH even better. GH on its own generally brings you back to a state of 'optimal youth'. Given that you're already at the prime of your youth, there's very little reason to use it. You also need to run long cycles w/ it and the "results" are very subtle. Again, nothing like what people think about when they think about steroids.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

3-5iu ED (21-30iu EW) is a average/moderate dose for most. IMHO.

/V

To put in context, this is refering to MEN. Typical for WOMEN is more like 1-2 iu/day.

Originally Posted by Kathybird

Interesting. Let me hijack a moment... would you know anything about females in this position? And perhaps how HGH would relate to a pregnancy after age 30?

Not really sure what you mean 'relate to pregnancy'. I wouldn't be running GH DURING a pregnancy and would also wait until after any breast feeding is complete. I would also repeat as above , that you understand what you're getting into if you want to run Gh cycles. On its own, it requires time and the 'results' are very subtle - so wrt "expectations", don't expect dramatic results, but rather subtle support for the body -e.g. better sense of well-being, sleep better / better recovery, better skin /hair, etc.

Still at age 30 I don't see the point in getting hooked on GH. Think more like > 45 for it. Even tho no longer optimal, your body is still running pretty good until you hit your 40s. A lot has to do w/ what you expect from something. People read lots of discussions about GH - but you always have to look at the context - e.g. on a muscle board you're going to be hearing about it from people w/ extensive experience w/ cycles and probably already very disciplined w/ their diets and training. Just shooting some GH on Joe Avg isn't going to produce the same results. Just like any other supplement - OTC or otherwise, it is ONLY a supplement to an already existing, consistent and producing diet & training program. W/o that already in place, any additional thing you throw into the mix is going to make your body respond to it, but w/ mixed results if you've got a sloppy diet or sit on your butt all day.

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