Thread: When to include Nolva?

Just include the Nolva... You should really be on it any how, for it can make your cycle more affective period by keeping test high and estrogen low.

I disagree with running nolva anyways. Run an AI like aromasin instead.

Originally Posted by TJTJ

My question is, if my chance (knock on wood) I do start to show signs of gyno during a cycle, would I have to stop the cycle or can I include Nolva and continue with the cycle? Is it possible to swap one for the other?

Something like this...

-first 4weeks
-DMZ one pill 2x a day(am/pm)
-2-4 pills of cycle support a day
-on the 14th day 800 total g's of 1-Andro 2x a day 400mg at a time (am/pm

PCT 3weeks
One pill of ATD once or 2x a day (am/pm) and Clomid 100mg for the first week split in to 50mg twice a day (am/pm) then 75mg 2nd week and 50 3rd week.
2-4 pills of cycle support.

I would appreciate your input

5'11, 177.8lbs 4yrs of weight training

drop the ATD and just use clomid during pct.

get some femara to have on hand in case of gyno issues or as the other fellow said some aromasin .

I always thought it as a good idea to leave the nova for pct and chose another AI for on cycle problemos

Originally Posted by Bigb21084

Just include the Nolva... You should really be on it any how, for it can make your cycle more affective period by keeping test high and estrogen low.

Disagree!!! Use Aromasin and only usw the nolva is sides still come up.

Originally Posted by Getfit75

Disagree!!! Use Aromasin and only usw the nolva is sides still come up.

Just looked up aromasin, that shit is more expensive than a 12 week cycle of test.

Originally Posted by WallsOfJericho

Just looked up aromasin, that shit is more expensive than a 12 week cycle of test.

Less expensive than gyno surgery.

Originally Posted by underscore

Less expensive than gyno surgery.

gyno surgery is like 2-3 grand so i think a $25 box of adex is worth it

Dolfan, why not nova, and only run an aromasin if you gave too?

Originally Posted by Bigb21084

Just include the Nolva... You should really be on it any how, for it can make your cycle more affective period by keeping test high and estrogen low.

Nolva does not effectively lower estrogen. Nolva simply binds to estrogen receptors in glandular tissue. Lowering estrogen is achieved with drugs like Adex, and a number of others, not Nolva. It will also not keep test high on cycle. When your natural test shuts down on a cycle, then the only way to keep test levels up is to inject testoterone.

Nolva WILL help prevent Gyno.

Nolva IS good for PCT.

Originally Posted by RoidRage9

gyno surgery is like 2-3 grand so i think a $25 box of adex is worth it

Oh the site i was looking at its over $200 for 20 romisin tabs

Nolva is not really good for any thing but Gyno prevention IMO. Even then there are better options. Nolva lowers IGF1, doesn't control E2, and is outdated. Aromasin is great during cycle to keep E2 in check and to increase IGF1 + keep more test free instead of bound. There is a lot of bad info in this thread. Please don't recommend anything if you are not sure that it is correct. ATD is a Type II AI similar to aromasin by the way. It does work in the same way just not quite as effectively IMO. On the cycle you are running OP you are using Super DMZ. Well Super DMZ doesn't aromatize so the only thing in your cycle that could give you gyno is the 1 Andro which I doubt that it would. If it does then use the nolva and ATD to combat it. You should be fine with the cycle like you have it.

Thanks for looking out TGB

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Nolva is not really good for any thing but Gyno prevention IMO. Even then there are better options. Nolva lowers IGF1, doesn't control E2, and is outdated. Aromasin is great during cycle to keep E2 in check and to increase IGF1 + keep more test free instead of bound. There is a lot of bad info in this thread. Please don't recommend anything if you are not sure that it is correct. ATD is a Type II AI similar to aromasin by the way. It does work in the same way just not quite as effectively IMO. On the cycle you are running OP you are using Super DMZ. Well Super DMZ doesn't aromatize so the only thing in your cycle that could give you gyno is the 1 Andro which I doubt that it would. If it does then use the nolva and ATD to combat it. You should be fine with the cycle like you have it.

Thats what I wanted to hear. Lots of bad info for sure. Since already went through a 600mg to 1g increase of 1-andro w/ no sides i wanted to have my back up plan ready to go and not have to come on here freaking out. We'll be in touch TGB. Just wanted to know whether to trade out the clomid w/ nolva if this hypothetically event were to occur.

Im starting to get bored of the PCT one week left then I have a OCT, do you think I need a OCT since last cycle was a ph and not something stronger like super dmz? TGB, in your opinion do you think I can go straight in to the cycle after or even with a ph give the body some time to get situated. like 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by RoidRage9

gyno surgery is like 2-3 grand so i think a $25 box of adex is worth it

Adex and aromasin arnt the same thing are they

Originally Posted by WallsOfJericho

Adex and aromasin arnt the same thing are they

a-dex = arimidex

Originally Posted by alphabolic

a-dex = arimidex

why are they so expensive on this site?

Do not post links to sources on this forum. Thanks

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Do not post links to sources on this forum. Thanks

Lets try and protect our sources guys

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Thats what I wanted to hear. Lots of bad info for sure. Since already went through a 600mg to 1g increase of 1-andro w/ no sides i wanted to have my back up plan ready to go and not have to come on here freaking out. We'll be in touch TGB. Just wanted to know whether to trade out the clomid w/ nolva if this hypothetically event were to occur.

Im starting to get bored of the PCT one week left then I have a OCT, do you think I need a OCT since last cycle was a ph and not something stronger like super dmz? TGB, in your opinion do you think I can go straight in to the cycle after or even with a ph give the body some time to get situated. like 2 weeks.

OCT is just a good way to stay off cycle while still maintaining or gaining on natural supps. It is not needed but is a good addition none the less. I am not sure how hard 1-andro is on the HPTA so I can't really say. It is your choice. I don't think in this case it is going to do much harm either way. Now after a cycle of a 17AA oral like Super DMZ you definetly need to let your body bounce back. Your lipids can get out of whack and your HPTA can be shut down to a point. Best thing to do would be to get blood work and see where your test is at. If all your levels are good then go for it.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

OCT is just a good way to stay off cycle while still maintaining or gaining on natural supps. It is not needed but is a good addition none the less. I am not sure how hard 1-andro is on the HPTA so I can't really say. It is your choice. I don't think in this case it is going to do much harm either way. Now after a cycle of a 17AA oral like Super DMZ you definetly need to let your body bounce back. Your lipids can get out of whack and your HPTA can be shut down to a point. Best thing to do would be to get blood work and see where your test is at. If all your levels are good then go for it.

Thats what Ive read up on and Im going to take 8-10g of omegas for my lipids split in 2 doses am/pm and the clomid should help my hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal bounce back right? When do you think I should do the blood work? right after my PCT or a couple of weeks after?