Thread: First Cycle Recommendations and Questions.

I would strongly advise you against oral only cycle. Looks like test prop 150 mg eod would work best for you. Recommend running it for 8 weeks, you can throw in anavar if you'd like as well.

Originally Posted by Himik

I would strongly advise you against oral only cycle. Looks like test prop 150 mg eod would work best for you. Recommend running it for 8 weeks, you can throw in anavar if you'd like as well.

lol my first cycle is exactly this...crazy

im gonna split up the injections to 2 shots of 75mg eod. so on monday i inject 75mg into my left delt and 75mg into my right delt. wednesday 75mg into left quad 75mg into right quad and so on. i think it should disperse and help the post injection pain. 1.5 ml of prop in one spot sounds kinda rough. doing 6 weeks of GP var at 70mg ed and the prop 8 weeks.

if you want to help your muscles repair from 4 workouts a day i dont think anavar will help much, how about a simple cycle of test e with an aromatase inhibitor so you dont get bloated and look like ur juicin

Why oral only? dont like needles? you wont be happy with oral only i will tell u that...

Originally Posted by astroretnal

Why oral only? dont like needles? you wont be happy with oral only i will tell u that...

No I dont care about needles, just trying to be as safe as possible while get the most results, why wont I be happy?

Originally Posted by LightBearer

if you want to help your muscles repair from 4 workouts a day i dont think anavar will help much, how about a simple cycle of test e with an aromatase inhibitor so you dont get bloated and look like ur juicin

Why wont anavar help much? I want to gain as little weight as possible, every pound I gain will make my cut harder. I feel like test e will cause me to get heavier.

Originally Posted by Himik

I would strongly advise you against oral only cycle. Looks like test prop 150 mg eod would work best for you. Recommend running it for 8 weeks, you can throw in anavar if you'd like as well.

Why would you strongly advise against it? Scientific proof or a bad experience on your part with orals? Not being a smart ass about scientific stuff I am literally trying to educate myself about whats fact and whats fiction. Can you explain test prop 150 mg eod to me?


Thanks for the help so far.

just my two cents,I personally ran just anavar for 7 weeks 30-40 mg ed.My goal was simply the same as yours.I wanted to keep my muscle while I lost my body fat.I ended up at 5'10" 205 with around 6 percent body fat I looked great and achieved exactly what I set out to do. I got stronger in the gym while going from 220 down to 215.

I mean from 220 down to 205

Orals shut down your HPTA just like injectables. So while you are gaining mass/not losing muslce while taking them, the second you come off you end up being in a testosterone "hole" (during this time you are not supplying your body with hormones and it is not producing its own), this causes the loss of mass and strength.

Originally Posted by Himik

Orals shut down your HPTA just like injectables. So while you are gaining mass/not losing muslce while taking them, the second you come off you end up being in a testosterone "hole" (during this time you are not supplying your body with hormones and it is not producing its own), this causes the loss of mass and strength.

So what do you do then?

Originally Posted by dhwest

So what do you do then?

You use testosterone during the cycle in order to supplement your body with hormones it needs. During the PCT you try to shorten the "hole" as much as possible to minimize the loss of the muscle mass.

All the MMA guys i know just do good old american made HGH. I was advised just the other day to stay away from anavar. If i remember right he said you get your muscles stronger but you ligaments will not keep up. I can say all the MMA guys around me are useing hgh.

Dhwest I would like to try and answer some of ur questions. HRT stands for Hormone replacment therapy, which in a nut shell is for old peeps that stopped making test etc and for peeps who have used steroids so much that they fucked up their body and must stay on it forever. I think if u want to not get bigger but get stronger thats gonna b a little difficult but possible. um I would not use a test ethnate or cypanate u will blow up with them but they r really good but not what u want I would do a test propanate and anavar cycle and I would def get on HGH. Now for strenght the test propanate will help u ALOT but u wont blow up like some other types of test with the type of training ur doing. Now mayb with the type of training ur doing the other types of test may not blow u up to much either, but u have to c wut works for u. EOD stands for every other day and depending on the type of test u take u have to do it more often then others. Im not gonna give u an amount u should take because ive never really wanted the goals u have but u def want to do no less i think then 300 mgs of test a week and yes u def want to have a test if ur gonna use anavar or any oral. If u do to low of a dose its just gonna shut down ur own test production and do very little or nothing for u. Um for ur speed thats not gonna come with any type of juice thats gonna b part of ur mma training and exsplosive weight training. Now HGH takes a long time to start working if u have the money u should just stay on it for ever ive been on it this time for 5 months now. I do a very low dose and im in my 20s but for u, u may need a higher dose u just have to kinda play around until u find what works for u. since ive been of hgh i have not gotten sick my recovery time is faster i feel all around better it will help u. Now for drinking no u should not b drinking with mma training or using aas but if u do i would def just drink light and it would b a clear liquar like vodka and mix it with like soda water or something u no. I hope I helped feel free to ask some more questions.

I train MMA athletes. I'm no pro trainer, I coach guys doing amateur fights and a couple of guys ready to go pro. I had 13 of my fighters on 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks followed by 4 weeks of PCT on nolva and clomid. Every single one of them lost bodyfat and gained lean muscle mass. The most dramatic was a fighter walking around at 205 with 17% bf. Yeah, he had a lot of bf but he's a heck of a good fighter both striking and on the ground. After 9 weeks he was 200 with 8.5% bf. His long jump went from 9' to 9'9". We use the long jump to measure horizontal power output. His shuttle run went from 32.5 sec to 25 sec. I believe that an anavar only cycle + hard training was able to increase output power and change body composition.

Originally Posted by tupin

I train MMA athletes. I'm no pro trainer, I coach guys doing amateur fights and a couple of guys ready to go pro. I had 13 of my fighters on 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks followed by 4 weeks of PCT on nolva and clomid. Every single one of them lost bodyfat and gained lean muscle mass. The most dramatic was a fighter walking around at 205 with 17% bf. Yeah, he had a lot of bf but he's a heck of a good fighter both striking and on the ground. After 9 weeks he was 200 with 8.5% bf. His long jump went from 9' to 9'9". We use the long jump to measure horizontal power output. His shuttle run went from 32.5 sec to 25 sec. I believe that an anavar only cycle + hard training was able to increase output power and change body composition.

Those are some amazing results. The question i have is: was he able to retain the gains couple of months after the PCT? just curious

Originally Posted by tupin

I train MMA athletes. I'm no pro trainer, I coach guys doing amateur fights and a couple of guys ready to go pro. I had 13 of my fighters on 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks followed by 4 weeks of PCT on nolva and clomid. Every single one of them lost bodyfat and gained lean muscle mass. The most dramatic was a fighter walking around at 205 with 17% bf. Yeah, he had a lot of bf but he's a heck of a good fighter both striking and on the ground. After 9 weeks he was 200 with 8.5% bf. His long jump went from 9' to 9'9". We use the long jump to measure horizontal power output. His shuttle run went from 32.5 sec to 25 sec. I believe that an anavar only cycle + hard training was able to increase output power and change body composition.

Tupin this is very similar to what I have heard from guys in my gym thats why I was leaning towards var. Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by HardCharger_84

Dhwest I would like to try and answer some of ur questions. HRT stands for Hormone replacment therapy, which in a nut shell is for old peeps that stopped making test etc and for peeps who have used steroids so much that they fucked up their body and must stay on it forever. I think if u want to not get bigger but get stronger thats gonna b a little difficult but possible. um I would not use a test ethnate or cypanate u will blow up with them but they r really good but not what u want I would do a test propanate and anavar cycle and I would def get on HGH. Now for strenght the test propanate will help u ALOT but u wont blow up like some other types of test with the type of training ur doing. Now mayb with the type of training ur doing the other types of test may not blow u up to much either, but u have to c wut works for u. EOD stands for every other day and depending on the type of test u take u have to do it more often then others. Im not gonna give u an amount u should take because ive never really wanted the goals u have but u def want to do no less i think then 300 mgs of test a week and yes u def want to have a test if ur gonna use anavar or any oral. If u do to low of a dose its just gonna shut down ur own test production and do very little or nothing for u. Um for ur speed thats not gonna come with any type of juice thats gonna b part of ur mma training and exsplosive weight training. Now HGH takes a long time to start working if u have the money u should just stay on it for ever ive been on it this time for 5 months now. I do a very low dose and im in my 20s but for u, u may need a higher dose u just have to kinda play around until u find what works for u. since ive been of hgh i have not gotten sick my recovery time is faster i feel all around better it will help u. Now for drinking no u should not b drinking with mma training or using aas but if u do i would def just drink light and it would b a clear liquar like vodka and mix it with like soda water or something u no. I hope I helped feel free to ask some more questions.

Hardcharger-Thanks

Couple questions. Whats the difference between Var and HGH? What are the side affects of HGH?

well var and hgh are nothing alike, its gonna be kinda difficult for me to explain the differences between the two, but in a nut shell Anavar increases low-density lipoproteins and decrease high density lipoproteins. This is unlike human growth hormone which decreases bad cholesterol through the secretion of insulin like growth factor or IGF-1. I think its gonna b really difficult for u to understand all this its difficult for me sometimes lol, but the two are nothing alike. Possible side affects for HGH, in high doses having ur organs grow. It makes u produce more igf1 which may make ur bones grow too but not much without taking igf1 also. u will have ur hands and feet fall asleep all the time u may have dificulty sleeping and if u cancer cells in ur body u will increase them a hundred fold so make sure u get blood work done on a normal bases and hgh can not b found in a drug test so u dont have to worry b4 fights. those r the more common side affects. i have difficulty sleeping and my hands fall asleep thats the only ones I have.

Originally Posted by HardCharger_84

well var and hgh are nothing alike, its gonna be kinda difficult for me to explain the differences between the two, but in a nut shell Anavar increases low-density lipoproteins and decrease high density lipoproteins. This is unlike human growth hormone which decreases bad cholesterol through the secretion of insulin like growth factor or IGF-1. I think its gonna b really difficult for u to understand all this its difficult for me sometimes lol, but the two are nothing alike. Possible side affects for HGH, in high doses having ur organs grow. It makes u produce more igf1 which may make ur bones grow too but not much without taking igf1 also. u will have ur hands and feet fall asleep all the time u may have dificulty sleeping and if u cancer cells in ur body u will increase them a hundred fold so make sure u get blood work done on a normal bases and hgh can not b found in a drug test so u dont have to worry b4 fights. those r the more common side affects. i have difficulty sleeping and my hands fall asleep thats the only ones I have.

Charger, Those are in problems with High doses, whats a safe dose look like? Are there different kinds of HGH?

the scarey part about hgh is the part about if you have a tiny cancer cell that if you did not take the hgh it might allways have stayed small and no problem but since you took hgh and made it grow now you have cancer.thats some scarey shit right there.if it was not for that i would be on it now for sure.i just could not live with my self knowing i might have cancer because of wanting to look good.

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

the scarey part about hgh is the part about if you have a tiny cancer cell that if you did not take the hgh it might allways have stayed small and no problem but since you took hgh and made it grow now you have cancer.thats some scarey shit right there.if it was not for that i would be on it now for sure.i just could not live with my self knowing i might have cancer because of wanting to look good.

That scares me too, I am trying to stay as safe as possible, I dont think I will be going the HGH path.

Going to try a simple cycle of Var and see how things go, unless someone else has more info for me...