Thread: Test Prop Question

In my case, I hold less water with prop.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

In my case, I hold less water with prop.



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and hawk

just remember, none of it is magic bro. I think alot of people think one test is better than another test because so and so gained this much weight or that guy blew while on this or that, but what people forget to ask or say is what did your nutrition program look like???? Thats the key ingredient right there more so than esters my friend...

I appreciate the input, my diet is currently clean and managed. I am not at the BF% I want to be at for a cycle just yet I am just doing some research. I am currently doing a cutting zig zag diet with 50% Protein, 30% Carbs and 20% Fat daily intake. Just getting myself ready so when I hit the mark I can be well acclimated.

if side effects get to be too much for you since it's your first cycle, the short estered prop will clear in a few days as opposed to a couple weeks with enth or cyp.

it's also good if you wanna run a shorter 6-8 week cycle instead of having to run the cycle a minimum of 10-12 weeks with enth or cyp.

a lot of people claim prop to have less bloat and/or estrogen related side effects. but i've also heard others claim that test is test and your use of an AI will make a bigger difference in bloat/estrogen than what ester of test you use.

Prop is good if you start getting some adverse side effects from test since you can stop using it and it will leave your system fairly quick. The drawback to prop is most people experience more pain when injecting it.

Should I follow pretty much the same AI and PCT as I would any other Test ? One more question if you don't mind also. Since test is injected does it have any negative side affects on liver or is that only if you are taking an oral ? Thanks again!

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

In my case, I hold less water with prop.



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I hold a lot less water on prop

Ai's take care of any water issues, so I never allow that to determine my ester. What I look at is the duration of the cycle. If it is a shorter run (8-10 weeks), I recommend using prop as it is fast acting. If you are running 12 weeks +, I recommend a long ester like E or C.

Originally Posted by GMO

Ai's take care of any water issues, so I never allow that to determine my ester. What I look at is the duration of the cycle. If it is a shorter run (8-10 weeks), I recommend using prop as it is fast acting. If you are running 12 weeks +, I recommend a long ester like E or C.

That's how I play it.



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I noticed Sust is mostly Prop and naps also suggests EOD for Sust in their top cycles so wouldn't this be more effective? I was also reading about Sten and was thinking Sust and Cyp would be similiar without EOD. I'm sure you guys have read a ton and I would appreciate the shared knowledge. Here is a cycle I'm looking at napsgear.net/pre-designed-stacks-c42/beginners-cut-cycle-p400 but I would like to modify it so I don't need to take orals.

i'm running prop now @ 75mg ed.. the pinning gets really old! I havnt any problems with bloat verses using cyp or e.... A first cycle i would use test e.. Its a good starter.

Originally Posted by Justinbro

I noticed Sust is mostly Prop

SUSTANON:
Isocaproate=60mg
Phenylpropionate=60mg
Decanoate=100mg
Propionate=30mg

Total=250mg



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On my cycle I started last month, instead of kick-starting it with an oral, I used prop eod for about 3 weeks to give time for the Test E to build up to full levels. Worked like a charm...Aromasin works great for controlling estro and water.

Originally Posted by Hell

On my cycle I started last month, instead of kick-starting it with an oral, I used prop eod for about 3 weeks to give time for the Test E to build up to full levels. Worked like a charm...Aromasin works great for controlling estro and water.

That's how I begin my long ester cycles as well, usually for two weeks though along with an oral (sometimes). Prop kicks ass when fronting with it until E or C kicks in.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

SUSTANON:
Isocaproate=60mg
Phenylpropionate=60mg
Decanoate=100mg
Propionate=30mg

Total=250mg


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Yes but i read the Phenlypropionate is close to the same as Propionate so it could be counted as 90mg for a kicker.

Originally Posted by Hell

On my cycle I started last month, instead of kick-starting it with an oral, I used prop eod for about 3 weeks to give time for the Test E to build up to full levels. Worked like a charm...Aromasin works great for controlling estro and water.

That's damn good news, exactly what I'm thinking!

Originally Posted by Justinbro

Yes but i read the Phenlypropionate is close to the same as Propionate so it could be counted as 90mg for a kicker.

However you want to view it, I just wanted to make sure you understood that Sustanon does NOT mostly include the propionate ester. Prop is the least.



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I am not sure what everyone means exactly by kick starting. Could you elaborate on that a bit more if you wouldn't mind?

Also if anyone wouldn't mind clearing up if injected Test does anything to the liver at all I would really appreciate it.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

However you want to view it, I just wanted to make sure you understood that Sustanon does NOT mostly include the propionate ester. Prop is the least.



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Thanks bro, that was the first thing I questioned when I saw the profile, just trying to dig deeper into the overall affects of possibly a Sust blend with Cyp or E. Apparently Sust is in the Advanced and Pro Cycles but not the beginner cycles, just wondering why.

Originally Posted by Justinbro

Apparently Sust is in the Advanced and Pro Cycles but not the beginner cycles, just wondering why.

Sust works wonders at HIGH doses (advanced/pro doses as you said), or when you use it every day to gain full advantage of ALL the esters included....and I'm talking at least 750mg EW+. Beginner cycles don't often include short esters due to the fact that there is so much more pinning involved...ED, EOD vrs. 2X a week. Makes a difference to most first timers. IMHO!



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Sust works wonders at HIGH doses (advanced/pro doses as you said), or when you use it every day to gain full advantage of ALL the esters included....and I'm talking at least 750mg EW+. Beginner cycles don't often include short esters due to the fact that there is so much more pinning involved...ED, EOD vrs. 2X a week. Makes a difference to most first timers. IMHO!



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I say bring on the pinning, I was nervous about it the first time I did it but ever since then its like a rush. Almost makes you want to work out just so you can pin. Kinda sounds bad to say. LOL

If you don't mind the pinning, I would probably still go with prop seeing as it's a single ester. If you react badly to sust, you have to wait a while for it to clear your system and you have to worry about blood plasma levels fluxing. Some guys also get allergic reactions to certain esters...another reason to use just a one ester test, and not a blend. IMHO. Especially for a first run.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Sust works wonders at HIGH doses (advanced/pro doses as you said), or when you use it every day to gain full advantage of ALL the esters included....and I'm talking at least 750mg EW+. Beginner cycles don't often include short esters due to the fact that there is so much more pinning involved...ED, EOD vrs. 2X a week. Makes a difference to most first timers. IMHO!



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

If you don't mind the pinning, I would probably still go with prop seeing as it's a single ester. If you react badly to sust, you have to wait a while for it to clear your system and you have to worry about blood plasma levels fluxing. Some guys also get allergic reactions to certain esters...another reason to use just a one ester test, and not a blend. IMHO. Especially for a first run.



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Thanks bro I get the picture, 1 ester at a time, then build up if there's no problems. So then I shouldn't stack anything first round and see how I react to everything I try.

Originally Posted by Justinbro

Thanks bro I get the picture, 1 ester at a time, then build up if there's no problems. So then I shouldn't stack anything first round and see how I react to everything I try.

You got it

Lots of good information and opinions. Never thought about using prop as a kickoff but sounds damned good.

Originally Posted by Freeway

Lots of good information and opinions. Never thought about using prop as a kickoff but sounds damned good.

It works wonders for me. Others don't like to front load and don't see the point. Using prop is an alternative to using an oral up front, take dbol for example. Some will use prop instead of dbol so there is less stress on the liver. I use both prop and an oral up front. Beginners should stick to one test only, IMHO....and "possibly" a low dosed oral.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

It works wonders for me. Others don't like to front load and don't see the point. Using prop is an alternative to using an oral up front, take dbol for example. Some will use prop instead of dbol so there is less stress on the liver. I use both prop and an oral up front. Beginners should stick to one test only, IMHO....and "possibly" a low dosed oral.
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Exactly! I used dbol on the tail-end of my first cycle and even though I felt good on them for the most part, the back pumps were just too much on alot of days. When i started my second cycle I just ran through 2 bottles of prop, pinned eod and felt great the entire time and it didnt impede on any of my workouts like dbol did and it kicks in after a few days just like dbol. Having said that I did order some dbols just recently and im gonna try them out again later on down the road and see how they go, just gonna add more potassium and taurine to my diet when im on them and see if that helps.

Originally Posted by hawkcmc

I appreciate the input, my diet is currently clean and managed. I am not at the BF% I want to be at for a cycle just yet I am just doing some research. I am currently doing a cutting zig zag diet with 50% Protein, 30% Carbs and 20% Fat daily intake. Just getting myself ready so when I hit the mark I can be well acclimated.

ME TOO!!!(minus the zig zag diet)
I am glad to see posts like this. I was lurking on this forum for bit and for a few months it seemed like all the newbies wanted to do a first cycle with 3-4 or more compounds. Now there are quite a few members that are doing what we are. Get the diet in order, workout to our bodys max, get the body fat down, figure out a solid PCT and then finally consider a cycle. Kudos, I wish you luck bro