Thread: Deca during a cruise?

I have read guys running low doses for the same reason.

i say go for it.

I don't think it would hurt. You may want to up the deca to 200mg a week. U need caber on such low doses?

Originally Posted by keith1569

I don't think it would hurt. You may want to up the deca to 200mg a week. U need caber on such low doses?

it was more to stave off any residual effects from the high dose 19 nors most likely used in the blasts, but other wise it wouldn't be needed for me no.

Swweet guys i get to keep my joints going and hence my squat

Originally Posted by trapzilla

it was more to stave off any residual effects from the high dose 19 nors most likely used in the blasts, but other wise it wouldn't be needed for me no.

Swweet guys i get to keep my joints going and hence my squat

sounds like a great cruise bro. If it keeps the weights moving why not.

Got ya. Have a good cruise

I've done it and had good results from it, go for it and see what happens.

You could use NPP instead of Deca because it will make a noticeable difference more quickly. I was doing this for a few weeks. Test Cyp at 200-250/wk with NPP at 100mg/wk. I split the dose to twice a week. It worked well and I noticed the difference by the third week. It seemed to help my shoulder joint significantly. I wasn't benching for a few weeks because of shoulder pain. Then I after a few weeks of NPP it started to feel better slowly but I think it makes a difference. Not a bad idea for a nice cruise.

Even at just 100mg a week on NPP huh? That's definately good to know.

Yes NPP has more free hormone per mg than Deca due to the shorter ester. NPP is an awesome AAS.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

You could use NPP instead of Deca because it will make a noticeable difference more quickly. I was doing this for a few weeks. Test Cyp at 200-250/wk with NPP at 100mg/wk. I split the dose to twice a week. It worked well and I noticed the difference by the third week. It seemed to help my shoulder joint significantly. I wasn't benching for a few weeks because of shoulder pain. Then I after a few weeks of NPP it started to feel better slowly but I think it makes a difference. Not a bad idea for a nice cruise.

that sounds like an idea, hadn't thought of that would also make it easier if there was to be a come off hmmmm.
Did you dose the NPP eod or twice a week with the test?
and ooh the low concentration oil would be a nice break.

cheers boys

Low dose deca is great on a cruise. We have some good science on it.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Low dose deca is great on a cruise. We have some good science on it.

Collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women during therapy with anabolic steroid or female sex hormones.

Hassager C, Jensen LT, Pødenphant J, Riis BJ, Christiansen C.

Department of Clinical Chemistry, Glostrup Hospital, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

The effect of anabolic steroid therapy and estrogen-progestogen substitution therapy on serum concentration of procollagen type III aminoterminal peptide (PIIINP), a measure of collagen synthesis, in postmenopausal women was studied in two double-blind studies: (1) 39 women allocated to treatment with either 50 mg nandrolone decanoate as an intramuscular depot or placebo injections every third week for 1 year, and (2) 40 women allocated to receive either 2 mg 17 beta-estradiol plus 1 mg norethisterone acetate daily or placebo tablets for 1 year. Serum PIIINP was measured every 3 months during the study. Anabolic steroid therapy resulted in a more than 50% increase (P less than .001) in serum PIIINP at 3 months, which thereafter decayed but remained significantly increased throughout the study period. Serum PIIINP showed the same pattern during estrogen-progestogen therapy, but to a lesser degree. We conclude that anabolic steroids stimulate type III collagen synthesis in postmenopausal women, while estrogen-progestogen therapy may have such an effect, but only to a lesser degree.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2...?dopt=Abstract

Here is an interesting one on bone mass;

Nandrolone decanoate for men with osteoporosis.

Hamdy RC, Moore SW, Whalen KE, Landy C.
James H. Quillen College of Medicine, East Tennessee State University, Johnson City, TN USA.
To compare the efficacy and safety of nandrolone decanoate and calcium (NDC) with those of calcium alone (CAL) in men with idiopathic osteoporosis, a 12-month, randomized, prospective, controlled study, was performed in an outpatient clinic. Twenty-one men with idiopathic osteoporosis (as determined by radiological and dual energy x-ray absorptiometry findings) were randomly allocated to either 50 mg nandrolone decanoate intramuscularly (im) weekly and 1,000 mg oral calcium carbonate daily (NDC group) or to 1,000 mg oral calcium carbonate daily (CAL group). Bone densitometry (total body, left femur, and lumbar spine), serum, and urine biochemical parameters were measured at 3-month intervals. In the NDC group, bone mineral density initially increased, reached a plateau, and then decreased to near baseline levels at 12 months. Increases in lean muscle mass mirrored these changes. Free and total testosterone significantly decreased. Hemoglobin increased in all patients in this group. Patients in the CAL group exhibited no significant change in either total body or bone mineral density or biochemical parameters. Thus, nandrolone decanoate, 50 mg im weekly, transiently increases the bone mass of men with idiopathic osteoporosis in this preliminary study. Careful monitoring is necessary.
PMID: 10099043 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10099043

Excellent information Heavy, Sold me on the nandrolone in the cruise .

I, too, have residual effects from years of Rugby. (degenerative disc disease on C4/C5 cervical spine) Wouldn't trade those rugby days in for anything though. Loved imagining myself a pissed off bull when running through opponents ball in hand and Halotestin racing through my blood.

Adding low dose of Deca to a cruise sounds highly beneficial for those that are appropriate candidates for it. Somewhere in the 100-200mg EW, or thereabouts.

Originally Posted by BigBird

I, too, have residual effects from years of Rugby. (degenerative disc disease on C4/C5 cervical spine) Wouldn't trade those rugby days in for anything though. Loved imagining myself a pissed off bull when running through opponents ball in hand and Halotestin racing through my blood.

Adding low dose of Deca to a cruise sounds highly beneficial for those that are appropriate candidates for it. Somewhere in the 100-200mg EW, or thereabouts.

Thats bad shit BigBird, how is it being treated.
And Lol gotta love Halotest and chequedrops on the pitch mmm...mmmm that was some crazy shit

deca made it so I could get out of bed in the morning.

My right hip and left shoulder is out of whack.

100mg Deca EW is a good idea. Saves from being hooked on meds.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

Thats bad shit BigBird, how is it being treated.
And Lol gotta love Halotest and chequedrops on the pitch mmm...mmmm that was some crazy shit

Well Rule # 1 is that I can't play "collision sports" (the good kind) anymore. Pain management includes Vicodin HP (10mg) twice a day as needed. Usually sore every day but somedays I don't take anything if it's not flaring up. On the flip side, some days it's a real bitch to deal with - the vikes help a little bit but nothing helps 100%. I'd rather live with it than take something even stronger and more addictive than vicodin. Luckily, the cervical spine issue does not affect my lifting.

Pain meds are very addictive and Deca or NPP is a much better option if it works for you. The thing with pain meds is they help for a while but then they end up doing nothing for you unless you take more and more. It is very hard to quit using them once you are addicted.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Pain meds are very addictive and Deca or NPP is a much better option if it works for you. The thing with pain meds is they help for a while but then they end up doing nothing for you unless you take more and more. It is very hard to quit using them once you are addicted.

+1 on this

If you don't absolutely need them, stay far away from opiates. I've experimented with a few things here and there (more than a few really), and never had a problem with any. Opiates nearly ruined my life however. Started with percocet, progressed to sniffing heroin 5x a week. Not something I'm proud of whatsoever, but just thought I'd share that opiates will sneak up on you and before you know it you won't want anything else. Didn't lift, hardly ate, worked only as much as I needed to support my habit. A large part of it was the area I was living in (camden, NJ), so I moved to a new state and got back into bodybuilding. Having a strict diet/routine helped tremendously, been clean for about 3 1/2 years. Long story short, opiates are the most addictive drug on the planet IMO.

Congrats on being clean, much respect.

Originally Posted by Anabolic5150

Congrats on being clean, much respect.

appreciate it bro, thank god I never started pinning it, I've heard the relapse rate for IV users is around 90%


I don't even drink now, a little herb now and then but that never hurt anyone :P

You got your life back, that's awesome Bro. Stay that way, I know you can.

congrats on being clean bro..it can be a bitch of a habit to break

Originally Posted by BigBird

Well Rule # 1 is that I can't play "collision sports" (the good kind) anymore. Pain management includes Vicodin HP (10mg) twice a day as needed. Usually sore every day but somedays I don't take anything if it's not flaring up. On the flip side, some days it's a real bitch to deal with - the vikes help a little bit but nothing helps 100%. I'd rather live with it than take something even stronger and more addictive than vicodin. Luckily, the cervical spine issue does not affect my lifting.

I hear you on the good kind of sports BigBird. Hopefully it isn't exacerbated anymore, the good thing is you can still lift.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

+1 on this

If you don't absolutely need them, stay far away from opiates. I've experimented with a few things here and there (more than a few really), and never had a problem with any. Opiates nearly ruined my life however. Started with percocet, progressed to sniffing heroin 5x a week. Not something I'm proud of whatsoever, but just thought I'd share that opiates will sneak up on you and before you know it you won't want anything else. Didn't lift, hardly ate, worked only as much as I needed to support my habit. A large part of it was the area I was living in (camden, NJ), so I moved to a new state and got back into bodybuilding. Having a strict diet/routine helped tremendously, been clean for about 3 1/2 years. Long story short, opiates are the most addictive drug on the planet IMO.

Major respect Digitalash for overcoming such a powerful addiction. I wish you the best of luck in the future.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

appreciate it bro, thank god I never started pinning it, I've heard the relapse rate for IV users is around 90%


I don't even drink now, a little herb now and then but that never hurt anyone :P

I have fought my battles with opiates as well. I had an issue with oxy's after the loss of my son in august of last year. It is a constant battle to stay off them. Heroin is even worse because you don't know what you are getting. Opiates are bad anyway you look at it. I only allow myself to smoke pot occasionally. So I know where you are coming from. Bodybuilding has saved me on many occasions, had I not had that in my life I don't know if I would be here today. Stay strong and stay commited. Good Luck Sorry OP for going on about this.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

+1 on this

If you don't absolutely need them, stay far away from opiates. I've experimented with a few things here and there (more than a few really), and never had a problem with any. Opiates nearly ruined my life however. Started with percocet, progressed to sniffing heroin 5x a week. Not something I'm proud of whatsoever, but just thought I'd share that opiates will sneak up on you and before you know it you won't want anything else. Didn't lift, hardly ate, worked only as much as I needed to support my habit. A large part of it was the area I was living in (camden, NJ), so I moved to a new state and got back into bodybuilding. Having a strict diet/routine helped tremendously, been clean for about 3 1/2 years. Long story short, opiates are the most addictive drug on the planet IMO.

Glad you were able to pull things together. A lot of good people are brought down to rock bottom by addictions. I can honestly say that I consider myself lucky, blessed and such as I've avoided - for whatever reason - any potential for addictions to opiates. Maybe I'm a rare breed but being ultra careful helps. I"ve managed this way for several years and it has not escalated into an out of control "monster." As productive as I've ever been with regards to work, fitness, family, sex lol, you name it. The neck pain is bad enough that the vikes do offer relief. If my worst vice is 2 vikes a day, then I'm not doing too bad.

thx everyone for the support, didn't mean to derail op's thread

seems like this is something alot of people here can relate to, and I felt it was worth giving people some forewarning from someone whose seen how bad it can get


It was my own stupid fault really, both my parents have struggled with opiate addiction for quite a while. Dad has used heroin for longer than I know probably, but his major issues came with alcohol (rather not get into that as it's a painful subject). Mom went to jail for two years for falsifying prescriptions for oxy's. I enjoyed opiates (percocets/oxy's) from the very first time I used them, and had no trouble keeping it in moderation, most likely due to cost and lack of availability. But once I moved to an area where cheap H was a ten minute walk away, things got out of hand very fast. And yes, bodybuilding has improved and probably saved my life in more ways than I can list. Don't know how most people can live without it honestly.

again, sry op for the hijack