Thread: First cycle/injection

Originally Posted by ATyler

Ok so I started my first cycle today. Before I start this off I know I am starting too early( I turn 21 next month) but its already under way. I have done a ton of research before starting but the first injection didn't go as smoothly as I hoped. First I spaced out getting big drawing needles which I will order today. But anyways I started with a vial but couldn't get the oil out of it. But I did have some norma amps so I opened one of them loaded the syringe. Then I did the injection in my right quad and it took FOREVER to push all of the oil in but then after I was done a little oil was leaking from the injection site. Should I be worried. Also how can I avoid oil from leaking out? I am using a 25 gauge 1 inch and I had the needle all the way in.

BTW my cycle is 10 weeks test e 500mg/wk
aromasin 12.5mg eod
pct clomid+aromasin
have novla on hands

Thanks

what are your goals with this cycle? your stats?lifting experience?

sounds like you should do more research then start this cycle if your going to do it anyway due to the questions your asking are basic questions you really should know the answers 2 already I don't wanna see you get hurt bro.

i like 23 guage 1''... sticl with delts and glutes imo..

If you want to try other sites give quads and pecs a try. Sometimes though you hit a nerve in quads and makes your leg twitch ha. Just pull out and try a dif spot. Just a though.

Another one bites the dust. Is sex not good/important for kids these days? If you fuck around with AAS at your age you might jack up your HPTA and have trouble getting a hard on for the rest of your life. At your age your natural test is quite high and training/diet is your answer. Saying that. Your cycle looks like you thought it thru. I am waiting to do my first cycle myself because i want to max out naturally. I have read many many recommendations on first cycles and you seem to have a good first cycle and PCT put together. Any experienced mods or old schoolers please chime in.

Originally Posted by ATyler

. 1.First I spaced out getting big drawing needles which I will order today.
2. But anyways I started with a vial but couldn't get the oil out of it. But I did have some norma amps so I opened one of them loaded the syringe. 3. Then I did the injection in my right quad and it took FOREVER to push all of the oil in but then after
4. I was done a little oil was leaking from the injection site. Should I be worried. Also how can I avoid oil from leaking out? I am using a 25 gauge 1 inch and I had the needle all the way in.

Thanks

1. I remember my first pin in whcih i nearly blacked out and i pinned the top of my quad-not fun hit a nerve and could hardlty move for a week.
2. If you draw as much air as you want oil into the syringe and then inject that into the vial it will create a back pressure making it easier to draw up the oil- a smaller gauge needle will help(small gauge number-bigger needle)
3. you can heat up the oil slightly to make it flow easier-and it taking a while is a good thing, nice and slow is the way to go, I take between 30 and 45 second per ml i use
4. using the Z track emthod should stop any leakage-jsut google and it will come up

If you had truly done your research, you wouldn't have started so young...

Hey dude, just lettin you know I did my first cycle at 17 years old. Sustanon. Then I screwed around with prohormones. Now I'm 24 and on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) for life. WAIT A FEW MORE YEARS FUCK STICK.

Originally Posted by Junkboxer

Hey dude, just lettin you know I did my first cycle at 17 years old. Sustanon. Then I screwed around with prohormones. Now I'm 24 and on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) for life. WAIT A FEW MORE YEARS FUCK STICK.

did you achieve jacked & desirable status?

Originally Posted by GMO

If you had truly done your research, you wouldn't have started so young...

Yea at 21 enjoy your youth!

Originally Posted by trapzilla

1. I remember my first pin in whcih i nearly blacked out and i pinned the top of my quad-not fun hit a nerve and could hardlty move for a week.
2. If you draw as much air as you want oil into the syringe and then inject that into the vial it will create a back pressure making it easier to draw up the oil- a smaller gauge needle will help(small gauge number-bigger needle)
3. you can heat up the oil slightly to make it flow easier-and it taking a while is a good thing, nice and slow is the way to go, I take between 30 and 45 second per ml i use
4. using the Z track emthod should stop any leakage-jsut google and it will come up

Great advice here. Of course you are too young and I can't really approve of that but I know you are going to do what you want anyway and you already started so here is some advice. Listen to this from Trapzilla it is good advice ^ . I use a heat pad to heat the oil. You should get 20G needles to draw and then switch to a 25G to inject. That way your needle will be sharp and easier to inject with. Your cycle is actually a good setup for a first cycle so at least you got that right. You should realize that this could lead you to a lifetime of TRT like someone posted above. So take it seriously and do things the right way. We are here to help but you have to listen to take advantage of our advice. Not many here would suggest you starting so early. Some oil coming out after an inject is not a big deal. Z track method is great or at least leave the needle sit for a few seconds after inject before you pull it out. Good Luck and try to be safe

I am a n00b as well, but i was interested in gear since about 18yrs old....after doing research i waited until i was about to turn 25 to start and don't regret waiting. I was able to learn more about training properly and the diet.

But anyways if you are going to do it anyways then first i suggest you get your hands on some HCG as soon as possible. It prevents from getting shutdown completely and will make recovery a hell of alot easier.

If you are worried about oil leaking, then use the Z Track Method as stated above, but if its like a drop or two then it is no big deal. dont worry about it.

and it takes a long time to push because of the gauge of the needle, but like they said it is better that way so you don't develop a little ball.

I use 22ga for my Glutes and it is a little easier.

Heating up the oil, even just rubbing the vial back and forth between the palm of your hands will also help.

GOOD LUCK!! and BE safe bro!

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

did you achieve jacked & desirable status?

No, i didnt understand basic fundamental things about bodybuilding that i do now. i just wanted to get big fast.

Originally Posted by GMO

If you had truly done your research, you wouldn't have started so young...

Well 24-25 is the best time to start but starting at 21 is better then 16 so thanks for the help bro

Originally Posted by trapzilla

1. I remember my first pin in whcih i nearly blacked out and i pinned the top of my quad-not fun hit a nerve and could hardlty move for a week.
2. If you draw as much air as you want oil into the syringe and then inject that into the vial it will create a back pressure making it easier to draw up the oil- a smaller gauge needle will help(small gauge number-bigger needle)
3. you can heat up the oil slightly to make it flow easier-and it taking a while is a good thing, nice and slow is the way to go, I take between 30 and 45 second per ml i use
4. using the Z track emthod should stop any leakage-jsut google and it will come up

thanks bro I have actually looked into the Z track and always read on here that after your done injecting to slightly pull the needle out then turn it a little pull it out a little more twist then take completely out helps oil from leaking out to. I was so nervous I didn't think of it but i will try the z track on thursday

Originally Posted by djflipnautikz

I am a n00b as well, but i was interested in gear since about 18yrs old....after doing research i waited until i was about to turn 25 to start and don't regret waiting. I was able to learn more about training properly and the diet.

But anyways if you are going to do it anyways then first i suggest you get your hands on some HCG as soon as possible. It prevents from getting shutdown completely and will make recovery a hell of alot easier.

If you are worried about oil leaking, then use the Z Track Method as stated above, but if its like a drop or two then it is no big deal. dont worry about it.

and it takes a long time to push because of the gauge of the needle, but like they said it is better that way so you don't develop a little ball.

I use 22ga for my Glutes and it is a little easier.

Heating up the oil, even just rubbing the vial back and forth between the palm of your hands will also help.

GOOD LUCK!! and BE safe bro!

I actually have some hcg that I plan on starting next week

Originally Posted by ATyler

thanks bro I have actually looked into the Z track and always read on here that after your done injecting to slightly pull the needle out then turn it a little pull it out a little more twist then take completely out helps oil from leaking out to. I was so nervous I didn't think of it but i will try the z track on thursday

I'd be careful with the twisting in fact i'd probably advise against it, it doesn't take a lot of movement at the top to cause the needlt tip to move a lot which can cause unnecessary muscle damage, and also a twist could cause to a nerve or vain being nicked and if you hit a nerve you'll know about it, and you could snap the needle if you do. fancy digging around in your leg with a pair of pliers? not my idea of fun. but certainly withdrawing slowly is A-ok and letting it sit in your leg i find helps you get used to the pinning process.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

I'd be careful with the twisting in fact i'd probably advise against it, it doesn't take a lot of movement at the top to cause the needlt tip to move a lot which can cause unnecessary muscle damage, and also a twist could cause to a nerve or vain being nicked and if you hit a nerve you'll know about it, and you could snap the needle if you do. fancy digging around in your leg with a pair of pliers? not my idea of fun. but certainly withdrawing slowly is A-ok and letting it sit in your leg i find helps you get used to the pinning process.

Alright I will stick to the z method the article I read the twisting on was from some old moderator I will post the link

Spot Injection Techniques [Forums] - IronMagazine Bodybuilding Forums

Originally Posted by ATyler

Well 24-25 is the best time to start but starting at 21 is better then 16 so thanks for the help bro

dude im on TRT for life cause i fucked with juice at a young age. believe it or not your bodies still going through changes at 21, much slower than when you were 17, but still growing none the less. keep it safe and wait till 24/25 till you KNOW puberty or whatever is completely done. is it really gonna hurt you to wait 3 more years? try some new routines; theres some crazy hypertrophy programs i found recently that are kickass. keep your cals up and find new routines: thats all the gear you need for now.

ps, keep your research up though. spend these years as if your in steroid college. become an expert on them so when your ready you wont even need our help.

Originally Posted by Junkboxer

dude im on TRT for life cause i fucked with juice at a young age. believe it or not your bodies still going through changes at 21, much slower than when you were 17, but still growing none the less. keep it safe and wait till 24/25 till you KNOW puberty or whatever is completely done. is it really gonna hurt you to wait 3 more years? try some new routines; theres some crazy hypertrophy programs i found recently that are kickass. keep your cals up and find new routines: thats all the gear you need for now.

ps, keep your research up though. spend these years as if your in steroid college. become an expert on them so when your ready you wont even need our help.

I was wondering what exactly cause you to fuck yourself up? Was it too long of a cycle or improper PCT?

Originally Posted by Himik

I was wondering what exactly cause you to fuck yourself up? Was it too long of a cycle or improper PCT?

i think it was all PCT issues. my first cycle (125mg sustanon EOD) i stopped 3/4 into it and had NO PCT. then for a few years all these prohormones were available, which gave all the god dam sides of steroids without the gains. who the hell knows if PCT was needed for those, either way i didnt have it for them either. finally i did a cycle of Superdrol but DID have PCT. i had nolva/natty test boosters and whatnot but for some reason the damage must have already been done. moooonths down the line i finally tested my levels. the highest i got was low 300s but most of the time i scored in the low 200s or high 100s. these tests were taken in the morning too when your test are at their highest. All in all, i was young and stupid. but not all is bad, i kinda like that i get to keep track and control my T levels for life. and if i want to cycle, no PCT necessary anymore

Originally Posted by Junkboxer

i think it was all PCT issues. my first cycle (125mg sustanon EOD) i stopped 3/4 into it and had NO PCT. then for a few years all these prohormones were available, which gave all the god dam sides of steroids without the gains. who the hell knows if PCT was needed for those, either way i didnt have it for them either. finally i did a cycle of Superdrol but DID have PCT. i had nolva/natty test boosters and whatnot but for some reason the damage must have already been done. moooonths down the line i finally tested my levels. the highest i got was low 300s but most of the time i scored in the low 200s or high 100s. these tests were taken in the morning too when your test are at their highest. All in all, i was young and stupid. but not all is bad, i kinda like that i get to keep track and control my T levels for life. and if i want to cycle, no PCT necessary anymore

Can you have kids>?

ummm ive heard rumors here and there that if you take clomid or something it gives you the ability to have kids. is there any truth to that? it really doesnt matter because i do not want kids. i'd be a horrible dad anyway. i think thats a big problem these days: people who do not have the right personality to raise children do it anyway because they think getting married and having kids is what you HAVE TO DO to grow up. Then their kids turn into animals. but i digress, yea who knows if i can...probably not. let me know if theres any truth to that clomid thing i mentioned though.

Originally Posted by djflipnautikz

I am a n00b as well, but i was interested in gear since about 18yrs old....after doing research i waited until i was about to turn 25 to start and don't regret waiting. I was able to learn more about training properly and the diet.

But anyways if you are going to do it anyways then first i suggest you get your hands on some HCG as soon as possible. It prevents from getting shutdown completely and will make recovery a hell of alot easier.

If you are worried about oil leaking, then use the Z Track Method as stated above, but if its like a drop or two then it is no big deal. dont worry about it.

and it takes a long time to push because of the gauge of the needle, but like they said it is better that way so you don't develop a little ball.

I use 22ga for my Glutes and it is a little easier

Heating up the oil, even just rubbing the vial back and forth between the palm of your hands will also help.

GOOD LUCK!! and BE safe bro!

Yeah z track is a good way for gluts kind of hard for delts