Thread: 1st cycle of Test. When will I start seeing gains?

1.) You are too young for gear. You have enough natty test to make very good gains if you eat right.
2.) 8 to 10 weeks at 250mg 2x per week 3.5 days apart since you won't listen to 1.
3.) Drop the nolva. Use it for emergencies but you probably won't need it.
4.) Where's the AI?

I would use nolva on cycle in case of gyno, which should not happen if you run AI together with test. I would also increase clomid dosages during the PCT. If you run a cycle that is longer than 10 weeks i would also recommend running HCG 500ui e5d, starting on day 10 and ending 10 days after last Test injection.

The younger, the dumber. You needed to research.

Originally Posted by rockhardly

1.) You are too young for gear. You have enough natty test to make very good gains if you eat right.
2.) 8 to 10 weeks at 250mg 2x per week 3.5 days apart since you won't listen to 1.
3.) Drop the nolva. Use it for emergencies but you probably won't need it.
4.) Where's the AI?

The bolded part is my advice for your cycle.

All these guys are right. You should gain 10 lbs without gear at your age in about 12 weeks but your gonna mess up your natty test so you will most likely lose most of your gains anyway. But it should kick in around week 3-4

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm going to continue the cycle regardless.. I've been stuck at 185 for the past 3 months with a very clean diet @ 4000-4500 Calories, perfect training. & yeah your right. I may sound young & dumb but I make my own decisions & I'm willing to take the chance.

about the ai, forgot to include that . I plan on taking aromasin on week 3 . 12.5 MG EOD

Originally Posted by buddhaluv

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm going to continue the cycle regardless.. I've been stuck at 185 for the past 3 months with a very clean diet @ 4000-4500 Calories, perfect training. & yeah your right. I may sound young & dumb but I make my own decisions & I'm willing to take the chance.

Originally Posted by buddhaluv

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm going to continue the cycle regardless.. I've been stuck at 185 for the past 3 months with a very clean diet @ 4000-4500 Calories, perfect training. & yeah your right. I may sound young & dumb but I make my own decisions & I'm willing to take the chance.

about the ai, forgot to include that . I plan on taking aromasin on week 3 . 12.5 MG EOD

What's the point of putting your age in the 1st post then? You knew you would get flamed for it.

Originally Posted by buddhaluv

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm going to continue the cycle regardless.. I've been stuck at 185 for the past 3 months with a very clean diet @ 4000-4500 Calories, perfect training. & yeah your right. I may sound young & dumb but I make my own decisions & I'm willing to take the chance.

about the ai, forgot to include that . I plan on taking aromasin on week 3 . 12.5 MG EOD

I am only going to comment because i have been in the same situation as you have.

I wanted to start at around the same age as you and did my research and determined that i can do more damage then good. The risk of not having babies or being on TRT or HRT for the rest of my life scared the shit out of me. There is someone on here that might chime in that is my age right now (24 or 25 yo) and has to be on TRT for the rest of his life.

But hey to each his own and i am not your daddy so will leave it at that, my 2 cents.

Now if you are going to do it anyways here is what i would do:

Week 1 - 12: Test 500mg/EW
- no need to front load long esters as all you do is get all the side effects with none of the benefits
- And 500mg for a first cycle is all you need. You don't want to down regulate your receptors where you will be needing more and more more often.
- And 12 weeks is all you need. It will be harder to recover the longer you go.

Week 3 - 12: HCG 250iu x 2 a week

Week 1-16: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD


and if you want a kick start use some TBOL or DBOL to kick start. If you use the AI from day one, you wont see as much Water weight.

- Nova only use for gyno if it occurs.

-My suggestions for a solid PCT Starting about 10 days after the last Pin:

Week 1 - 4:Clomid 100/75/50/50
Week 1 - 4: Double Dosage of Post Cycle & Unleashed
Week 1 - 4: HCGenerate or Phytoserms-547 (if you can get your hands on some)
Week 1 - 4:Aromasin 12.5mg EOD If any gyno shows up take it ED

(optional) After the 4th week of PCT

Can Take some OSTA SARMS

GOOD LUCK BRO....AND STAY SAFE!

Originally Posted by buddhaluv

Whether you guys like it or not, I'm going to continue the cycle regardless.. I've been stuck at 185 for the past 3 months with a very clean diet @ 4000-4500 Calories, perfect training. & yeah your right. I may sound young & dumb but I make my own decisions & I'm willing to take the chance.

about the ai, forgot to include that . I plan on taking aromasin on week 3 . 12.5 MG EOD

Good luck genius.

I feel it within week 2, but you really feel it around weeks 4-6

Originally Posted by djflipnautikz

I am only going to comment because i have been in the same situation as you have.

I wanted to start at around the same age as you and did my research and determined that i can do more damage then good. The risk of not having babies or being on TRT or HRT for the rest of my life scared the shit out of me. There is someone on here that might chime in that is my age right now (24 or 25 yo) and has to be on TRT for the rest of his life.

But hey to each his own and i am not your daddy so will leave it at that, my 2 cents.

Now if you are going to do it anyways here is what i would do:

Week 1 - 12: Test 500mg/EW
- no need to front load long esters as all you do is get all the side effects with none of the benefits
- And 500mg for a first cycle is all you need. You don't want to down regulate your receptors where you will be needing more and more more often.
- And 12 weeks is all you need. It will be harder to recover the longer you go.

Week 3 - 12: HCG 250iu x 2 a week

Week 1-16: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD


and if you want a kick start use some TBOL or DBOL to kick start. If you use the AI from day one, you wont see as much Water weight.

- Nova only use for gyno if it occurs.

-My suggestions for a solid PCT Starting about 10 days after the last Pin:

Week 1 - 4:Clomid 100/75/50/50
Week 1 - 4: Double Dosage of Post Cycle & Unleashed
Week 1 - 4: HCGenerate or Phytoserms-547 (if you can get your hands on some)
Week 1 - 4:Aromasin 12.5mg EOD If any gyno shows up take it ED

(optional) After the 4th week of PCT

Can Take some OSTA SARMS

GOOD LUCK BRO....AND STAY SAFE!

From what I've read Sarm's still cause some HPTA suppression, so I wouldn't wanna do it that close to pct.

Originally Posted by djflipnautikz

I am only going to comment because i have been in the same situation as you have.

I wanted to start at around the same age as you and did my research and determined that i can do more damage then good. The risk of not having babies or being on TRT or HRT for the rest of my life scared the shit out of me. There is someone on here that might chime in that is my age right now (24 or 25 yo) and has to be on TRT for the rest of his life.

But hey to each his own and i am not your daddy so will leave it at that, my 2 cents.

Now if you are going to do it anyways here is what i would do:

Week 1 - 12: Test 500mg/EW
- no need to front load long esters as all you do is get all the side effects with none of the benefits
- And 500mg for a first cycle is all you need. You don't want to down regulate your receptors where you will be needing more and more more often.
- And 12 weeks is all you need. It will be harder to recover the longer you go.

Week 3 - 12: HCG 250iu x 2 a week

Week 1-16: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD


and if you want a kick start use some TBOL or DBOL to kick start. If you use the AI from day one, you wont see as much Water weight.

- Nova only use for gyno if it occurs.

-My suggestions for a solid PCT Starting about 10 days after the last Pin:

Week 1 - 4:Clomid 100/75/50/50
Week 1 - 4: Double Dosage of Post Cycle & Unleashed
Week 1 - 4: HCGenerate or Phytoserms-547 (if you can get your hands on some)
Week 1 - 4:Aromasin 12.5mg EOD If any gyno shows up take it ED

(optional) After the 4th week of PCT

Can Take some OSTA SARMS

GOOD LUCK BRO....AND STAY SAFE!

I just have a question,

are you saying that just because someone is 21 instead of say 25 took the exact same cycle you posted, the 21 yr old has a higher chance of getting screwed and end up on TRT or HRT compared to the 25 yr old?

All these 21-24 yrs that need TRT for the rest of their lives, is it because they did a poor cycle without proper research? or even with the perfect cycle will they still end up down the TRT path?