Thread: Joint pain that started with my cycle?

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Do you have any past history of joint problems? Any family history of arthritis? What are you eating and what over the counter sups are you taking? Are you drinking any alcohol???

I had the same prob, I was thinking that the adex was lowering e2 too low, because test levels haven't gone up enough to warrant an AI. I backed off the adex for a while and it got better. Some people don't start their AI till week 2 or 3.

If your training more intensely, youre not takingg in nowhere near enough protein and carbs

No i dont drink and no, no joint problems in me or my family. Im eating fine and im taking multi, b6,beta alanine, whey, casien, aminos, bcaa, n02, glutamine.

I was thinking the same thing with the adex, i have been taking it since day 1. Anyone else have a theory on this.

How many grams of protein and carbs should i be gettin... Everywhere i have read has said around .75-1g per lean muscle mass.

thanks guys

When using aas and especially when using aas, protein intake MUST BE NO LESS THAN 1.5grams per pound of bodyweight. Preferably closer to 2grams per lb of BW. I'm assuming the .75-1 gram you read about did not take into account aas use. If it did, the author is wrong. No other way about it.

You are NOT getting enough protein. Could this be contributing to the joint issues? I don't know but it's a glaring problem with your diet. Might as well fix that quick, fast and in a hurry.

As you get stronger you have to be careful b/c your tendons/ligaments will lag behind your muscle strength. Ibuprofen, 400-600mg, might help as would cutting your Adex dose in half. That is, 0.25mg EOD. Try this and see if you note any improvement. Keep us posted. Just be sure you're not making above adjustments only to be masking a real problem that could get worse. Gauge where things are in one week.

It seems as if you are on track with everything your doing. I’m going to go with the adex theory. You can also try an anti-inflammatory that should help. I also know a few people that swear by a glucosamine chondroitin, but I have yet too read any creditable evidence that it is helpful. Maybe a placebo is all you need. Keep us posted.

The Deca takes about 4-6 weeks. Where ever you have the pain, try to inject close to that site. Example: Knee is hurting, inject in the thigh. Good luck

.5 eod adex is pretty standard but this does sound estrogen related.
Is this a research chem? It might not make a difference but I would go with aromasin.

Where did you get the arimidex ?

If its a research chem it could be significantly overdosed causing pain.

I would lower the dose and maybe change the frequency you use it. Maybe .25mg or even .15mg EOD.

Aromasin is a better choice because you will not have a rebound of estro. personally I use adex as well.

I dont think ive ever heard of joint pain ever being an estrogen related issue. And i would think if that were the case they would be hurting all the time. Which they dont its only the first couple hrs after i wake up.

And as far as my protein intake i will definatly get that fixed up today. I might lay off the armidex for 2 weeks or so and see if its the problem, and also let the AAS build up in my body a little before i take something thar is used to keep water/bloat off of you.

the legament/tendont thing seems pretty legit as i started pushin pretty hard since monday

Originally Posted by Dirtydave311

I dont think ive ever heard of joint pain ever being an estrogen related issue. And i would think if that were the case they would be hurting all the time. Which they dont its only the first couple hrs after i wake up.

And as far as my protein intake i will definatly get that fixed up today. I might lay off the armidex for 2 weeks or so and see if its the problem, and also let the AAS build up in my body a little before i take something thar is used to keep water/bloat off of you.

the legament/tendont thing seems pretty legit as i started pushin pretty hard since monday

low estrogen causes me a lot of pain in my joints, especially my elbows.

I don't think stopping your AI is the best decision. Lowering it is a better idea, IMO

In a perfect world you should get blood work to see where your estro is at and adjust dosages from there.

Originally Posted by ROID

low estrogen causes me a lot of pain in my joints, especially my elbows.

I don't think stopping your AI is the best decision. Lowering it is a better idea, IMO

In a perfect world you should get blood work to see where your estro is at and adjust dosages from there.

ahhh low estrogen...ok. Ill try and set up blood work for next week and get it checked out, in the mean time i will lower to .25mg eod. Thanks guys

Originally Posted by ROID

low estrogen causes me a lot of pain in my joints, especially my elbows.

I don't think stopping your AI is the best decision. Lowering it is a better idea, IMO

In a perfect world you should get blood work to see where your estro is at and adjust dosages from there.

Exactley! This is why I questioned if it was a research chem. If it is alot of guys are confused on how to measure them. Even if you get it right there's no guarantee about the potency.

When my e2 was too low, I woke up w stiff and sore joints. Usually my elbows, back and shoulders.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

I had the same prob, I was thinking that the adex was lowering e2 too low, because test levels haven't gone up enough to warrant an AI. I backed off the adex for a while and it got better. Some people don't start their AI till week 2 or 3.

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Originally Posted by ROID

low estrogen causes me a lot of pain in my joints, especially my elbows.

I don't think stopping your AI is the best decision. Lowering it is a better idea, IMO

In a perfect world you should get blood work to see where your estro is at and adjust dosages from there.

^this, When I'm taking only 500mg of test a week, I only use .5mg anastrozole, when I take 1g (or 1000mg) of test a week I bump that up to .5mg twice a week! Seems to keep me in the perfect zone!

9 grams of fish oil helps me out!

im gonna take bigs advice, and gonna go pick up some glucosamine, then wait in about 2 weeks get blood work done. Anybody have that site handy so i dont have to go to a doc?

You can buy glucosimin chondrotin at walmart! By the way worked great for my knees!

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Originally Posted by BigBird

When using aas and especially when using aas, protein intake MUST BE NO LESS THAN 1.5grams per pound of bodyweight. Preferably closer to 2grams per lb of BW. I'm assuming the .75-1 gram you read about did not take into account aas use. If it did, the author is wrong. No other way about it.

You are NOT getting enough protein. Could this be contributing to the joint issues? I don't know but it's a glaring problem with your diet. Might as well fix that quick, fast and in a hurry.

As you get stronger you have to be careful b/c your tendons/ligaments will lag behind your muscle strength. Ibuprofen, 400-600mg, might help as would cutting your Adex dose in half. That is, 0.25mg EOD. Try this and see if you note any improvement. Keep us posted. Just be sure you're not making above adjustments only to be masking a real problem that could get worse. Gauge where things are in one week.

A few things here. THis is good advice and there was a lot of other good advice here. Protein should be increased while on cycle. Carbs should go up if you want to bulk if not you can stay where you are. You shouldn't of run so many compounds for a first cycle because if you have a reaction to a AAS you will know which one it is. I usually recommend Test alone or at the most an oral kickstart with test for first cycle. Not sure why you felt Test wouldn't be good enough for a first cycle but anyway on to you question. I think that you need to let the AAS's build up more before you continue with the adex or at least lower the dose significantly for 2 weeks. Taking fish oil at 4-10grams a day is great while on AAS because it will help with your HDL and your joint inflammation. Deca will help tremendously once it kicks in. If you are running Deca you should have a prolactin antagoinist available in case of Prolactin gyno shows up later. Adex is not extremely potent compared to the other AIs but if you don't have estrogen that is high yet it can drop it down below optimal levels but it is not going to make your joints hurt as bad as letro. I think a lot of your problem is from harder training that your body may not be used to since you are on AAS and minor diet issues. I think you will feel a difference within the next 3 wks. Good Luck