Do you know what you are injecting when using an under ground lab? (Graphic Video)

**heavyiron** · 05-01-2011, 03:59 PM

Underground labs are commonly used by guys/gals who administer steroids. UGL’s are usually inexpensive and there are plenty to choose from. However there are many inherent risks when using UGL’s. These labs do not have to follow any Good Manufacturing Practices and many times are totally unregulated. Pain, swelling and redness at an injection site may be signs of improperly assembled medicines. If sterile practices are not followed you may also end up with an infection leading to an abscess. Additionally you may be injecting the wrong dose or a completely different medicine altogether. When you examine a product it should not contain any sediment or turbidity. Steroids made in an UGL may also contain harmful contaminants like heavy metals such as lead, tin, mercury, and/or arsenic.

Usually heavy metals are common in chemical-manufacturing operations, but are normally removed through very careful product assembly and purification steps. They are sometimes found in UGL products because the raw materials used to make some of these steroids was simply made “cheaply”, without the expense needed to hit true drug-grade purity.

In many Countries its legal to manufacture steroids therefore there should be no reason that a company would conceal how the medicines are made. In the United States we have many manufacturers who have production videos and pictures showing how medicines are assembled in sterile conditions. Watson and Eli Lilly freely let us view their manufacturing processes. We get to see with our own eyes the sterile conditions.

Why do so many UGL’s conceal how their products are made? I don’t need an address or any private sensitive information about these labs but why not snap a picture of the equipment and let us see how the products we inject are being assembled? The reason is obvious. Many UGL’s are in such poor condition that they don’t want us to see them. They sometimes throw together the medicines in dark garages, small dirty apartments or other non-sterile clandestine locations.

Some UGL’s go to great lengths to make their packaging look professional so just looking at the product is not enough to determine purity however there are some tell tail signs to look out for.

The first thing I look for is the crimp ring on the stopper. If it was done in a factory it usually will be very uniform however if it has been crimped by hand you know it was likely done outside a factory where zero sterile practices are regulated. For all you know, the person making your batch may have just used the bathroom and not washed their hands or even if they have followed sterile practices they likely have no way of testing the purity of the raw materials. It’s unlikely they have a mass spectrometer lying around to determine powder purity. Therefore, even the best home labs may be making contaminated products.

The next thing I look for is turbidity in the solution. If there is any detectable sediment or cloudiness the product was likely not filtered properly or it was improperly suspended. Look for moisture and crystals in the solution as well. There should be none in oil based products.

Finally, I inspect the packaging. If labels are put on crooked or words are misspelled this shows a level of carelessness. How can you trust a lab that does not know how to spell or apply a label correctly? Bad packaging practices many times equals bad product.

Good manufacturing practice
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Good manufacturing practice" or "GMP" is part of a quality system covering the manufacture and testing of pharmaceutical dosage forms or drugs and active pharmaceutical ingredients, diagnostics, foods, pharmaceutical products, and medical devices. GMPs are guidelines that outline the aspects of production and testing that can impact the quality of a product. Many countries have legislated that pharmaceutical and medical device companies must follow GMP procedures, and have created their own GMP guidelines that correspond with their legislation, basic concepts of all these guidelines remains more or less similar that is ultimate goal to produce a good quality medicine or medical devices or active pharmaceutical products.

Although there are a number of them, all guidelines follow a few basic principles.

Manufacturing processes are clearly defined and controlled. All critical processes are validated to ensure consistency and compliance with specifications.
Manufacturing processes are controlled, and any changes to the process are evaluated. Changes that have an impact on the quality of the drug are validated as necessary.
Instructions and procedures are written in clear and unambiguous language. (Good Documentation Practices)
Operators are trained to carry out and document procedures.
Records are made, manually or by instruments, during manufacture that demonstrate that all the steps required by the defined procedures and instructions were in fact taken and that the quantity and quality of the drug was as expected. Deviations are investigated and documented.
Records of manufacture (including distribution) that enable the complete history of a batch to be traced are retained in a comprehensible and accessible form.
The distribution of the drugs minimizes any risk to their quality.
A system is available for recalling any batch of drug from sale or supply.
Complaints about marketed drugs are examined, the causes of quality defects are investigated, and appropriate measures are taken with respect to the defective drugs and to prevent recurrence.

GMP guidelines are not prescriptive instructions on how to manufacture products. They are a series of general principles that must be observed during manufacturing. When a company is setting up its quality program and manufacturing process, there may be many ways it can fulfill GMP requirements. It is the company's responsibility to determine the most effective and efficient quality process.
For more info click here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_manufacturing_practice

The bottom line is we all need to look out for our own health. Injecting random products from unknown labs is dangerous and has many inherent risks. If a products price is too good to be true, pause before you buy. You usually get what you pay for. Overhead in a regulated facility costs money. Overhead in a Chinese hut with a dirt floor costs next to nothing…

~heavyiron

**Chino007** · 05-01-2011, 04:14 PM

Good stuff

**Himik** · 05-01-2011, 05:17 PM

That is definitely a good read for everyone. It is unfortunate that one of the best compounds - tren is only made by UGLs.

**Chino007** · 05-01-2011, 05:22 PM

Is it really?

**TGB1987** · 05-01-2011, 05:30 PM

Best post I have seen in a long time very informative and true. It is hard to believe some of the practices some of the UGLs use and sell to bodybuilders and athletes like ourselves. Then we are supposed to inject this stuff into our bodies by passing nearly all of the body's defenses. These guys should have respect for a human life enough to not do some of the things they do when manufactoring but guess what they don't. I will always go for Gear that is made up to GMP standards before UGL even though a UGL may sell the product for a 1/4 of the cost that a GMP standard gear runs. It is worth the peace of mind and safety. At least you know what you are getting. Many guys here don't understand this concept and probably never will. Hopefully this article will open some eyes up. Great read Heavy!

**TGB1987** · 05-01-2011, 05:33 PM

Some companies that are licensed to sell other Anabolics in other parts of the world will sometimes sell things such as Tren and EQ and so on, on the side. These are made up to the same standards of other GMP certifed products.

**ROID** · 05-01-2011, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Chino0823

Is it really?

IMO, short of one supplier, I would make tren from pellets.

Pellets have always worked very well for me.

**Himik** · 05-01-2011, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Some companies that are licensed to sell other Anabolics in other parts of the world will sometimes sell things such as Tren and EQ and so on, on the side. These are made up to the same standards of other GMP certifed products.

Unfortunately on the side "thing" is still not HG

**TGB1987** · 05-01-2011, 05:42 PM

Here is a great video of how Labs check the quality of a product "http://www.youtube.com/v/c6HyMy_zTYQ...</param><param

**TGB1987** · 05-01-2011, 05:47 PM

I don't believe that there is technically any Human Grade Tren but there is Tren out there that is at the very top end of quality when it comes manufactoring standards.

**sjk** · 05-01-2011, 05:50 PM

Some of these UGL's are no better than the guy cookin' up meth in his garage. This is why we gotta protect our sources and look out for each other.

**Chino007** · 05-01-2011, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by ROID

IMO, short of one supplier, I would make tren from pellets.

Pellets have always worked very well for me.

Lol

**TJTJ** · 05-01-2011, 06:19 PM

nice, now i dont trust anyone.

**Little Wing** · 05-01-2011, 06:23 PM

wow. if you're going to work so hard to make your body beautiful how sad is it to end up with these traumatic scarring infections. i feel bad for the people in this vid. so not worth saving a few bucks. damn.

**ZECH** · 05-01-2011, 06:44 PM

Why anyone would risk using a UG lab is beyond me.

**cutright** · 05-01-2011, 06:46 PM

Damn that really drives it home lol

**heavyiron** · 05-01-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Himik

That is definitely a good read for everyone. It is unfortunate that one of the best compounds - tren is only made by UGLs.

Any UGL can make Trenbolone to GMP standards as long as they have the facility, desire and money to do so. That's the bummer of the whole thing. Some labs go to great lengths and use Good Manufacturing Practices and other labs don't.

**Life** · 05-01-2011, 07:25 PM

I wonder how many of those pictures were from sterile injection problems as opposed to bad gear.

**OfficerFarva** · 05-01-2011, 07:27 PM

Having access to a chemistry and biology lab and friends with their masters in those fields comes in handy lol. They have all the tools to check everything over.

**Imosted** · 05-01-2011, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Life

I wonder how many of those pictures were from sterile injection problems as opposed to bad gear.

^^^ this

**Supermans Daddy** · 05-01-2011, 11:11 PM

Good read. However respectfully I submit to you all that there's UGL's that will give any GMP lab a run for their money in quality and production standards. Not all UGL's are in bathrooms and basements. Somes are out here run'n GZPK 100's,M52's as stardard equipment,Hoods,UV sterilie sytems ,Ion units,etc,. Theres some really good ones out there. Problem is you only hear bout the bad ones .The ones that try to filter 500ml thru 1 45 filter with a fuck'n chaulk gun to "save money".lol The good one's are REALLY UNDERGROUND.Most of those have ZERO desire to become a " household name" type of thin . Just say'n

Peace and Love

**World-Pharma.org** · 05-01-2011, 11:31 PM

Great Article...

From last 3 pics you can see where also price different come...

best-regards

WP

**Marat** · 05-02-2011, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

Good read. However respectfully I submit to you all that there's UGL's that will give any GMP lab a run for their money in quality and production standards. Not all UGL's are in bathrooms and basements. Somes are out here run'n GZPK 100's,M52's as stardard equipment,Hoods,UV sterilie sytems ,Ion units,etc,. Theres some really good ones out there. Problem is you only hear bout the bad ones .The ones that try to filter 500ml thru 1 45 filter with a fuck'n chaulk gun to "save money".lol The good one's are REALLY UNDERGROUND.Most of those have ZERO desire to become a " household name" type of thin . Just say'n

Peace and Love

Nice to see this guy back for a minute

**SFW** · 05-02-2011, 12:39 AM

So how many of you have used ugls? ( all of you )

How many of you have had serious infections or abscesses as a result of using ugls? ( im sure none of you )

Was it possible said abscess in video was caused from unsanitary conditions prior to injection, such as faIlure to swab sites or stoppers? ( entirely possible )

Can the vast majority of you afford pharm grade gear if it wasnt greatly discounted or endorsed as part of sweetheart promotion deals? ( my guess is not many )

Am i ruffling feathers and on thin ice? ( most likely )

**TGB1987** · 05-02-2011, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

Good read. However respectfully I submit to you all that there's UGL's that will give any GMP lab a run for their money in quality and production standards. Not all UGL's are in bathrooms and basements. Somes are out here run'n GZPK 100's,M52's as stardard equipment,Hoods,UV sterilie sytems ,Ion units,etc,. Theres some really good ones out there. Problem is you only hear bout the bad ones .The ones that try to filter 500ml thru 1 45 filter with a fuck'n chaulk gun to "save money".lol The good one's are REALLY UNDERGROUND.Most of those have ZERO desire to become a " household name" type of thin . Just say'n

Peace and Love

These labs are the exception and not the rule. The ones that are very good are ,like you said, the labs that don't want to be household names. It is hard to trust the little UGLs though because there are a majority of UGLs that do not do things the right way. So if you are lucky enough to find one that you trust enough to try and end up hitting the jackpot good for you. I have used one lab that is similar to what you are speaking of. Even though I know those labs do exist it doesn't change the fact that most UGLs are not made up to quality standards because it is too difficult and expensive for a small lab to do. The proper machinery is not cheap. It is a fine line to walk when looking for a proper UGL.

**ROID** · 05-02-2011, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

Good read. However respectfully I submit to you all that there's UGL's that will give any GMP lab a run for their money in quality and production standards. Not all UGL's are in bathrooms and basements. Somes are out here run'n GZPK 100's,M52's as stardard equipment,Hoods,UV sterilie sytems ,Ion units,etc,. Theres some really good ones out there. Problem is you only hear bout the bad ones .The ones that try to filter 500ml thru 1 45 filter with a fuck'n chaulk gun to "save money".lol The good one's are REALLY UNDERGROUND.Most of those have ZERO desire to become a " household name" type of thin . Just say'n

Peace and Love

yep, no need to plaster their name all over every board.

This practice to me says, Lets make as much money as possible before we get busted.

**trapzilla** · 05-02-2011, 05:46 AM

Now i'm not gonna quote prices as i'm pretty sure that is against rules but judging from the prices on the OP's sig. If I was to use those GMP companies shiiit i'd never be able to cycle. I can't afford those prices. And HG is out of the question due to allergies, so i'm stcuk with UGL's. It is not through preference but neccessity.

**ROID** · 05-02-2011, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by trapzilla

Now i'm not gonna quote prices as i'm pretty sure that is against rules but judging from the prices on the OP's sig. If I was to use those GMP companies shiiit i'd never be able to cycle. I can't afford those prices. And HG is out of the question due to allergies, so i'm stcuk with UGL's. It is not through preference but neccessity.

What type of reaction do you get ?

**trapzilla** · 05-02-2011, 06:34 AM

anaphalactic(sp) shock due to all HG I have access to using arachis oil as the solvent. I'm allergic to peanuts you see,I've had to be rushed into hospital at least twice because of HG gear

**TGB1987** · 05-02-2011, 06:46 AM

Yeah that would be terrible Trap. I know AP and BD both use Arachis oil in their products. Have you tried to use Test suspension or Water based Winny?

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