Thread: is there a middle ground between regular supplements and gear??

yes there is

what are some or what to look for ?

thanks

it goes
alot of gear > less gear> food > supplements



really I have no idea lol

Check out www.Ironmaglabs.com They carry the only PH PS that still work IMO since they have all been banned. Look into the SuperDMZ and Cyanostane . The Cyanostane is new and similar in effect to TBOL a buddy of mine is using it now and loving it. Here is a link

ok thanks I will check it out

question the dmz is out of stock . would the one product do good with a good diet and workout?

I guess I'm getting something else out of your question. Older TRT guys are somewhere in the middle. Lower doses of AAS, clean diet, vitamines and protein supplementation, regular weight training and cardio. You can get a lot done with tis strategy. 200 mg of test a week puts most I know about 30# over the top of normal range and lets you feel healthy. Add in some hCG and 2 iu of hGH or 200 ug of GHRP a day and a small amount of aromatase inhibitor if needed and it's more like a health and vitality program than cycling steroids. I would rather stick with lower doses of testosterone and a few choice previously FDA approved AAS than designers. The designers are a bit unknown.

and if I purchase . I see another post about liver should I drink alot of water

yes ^

i had good results with beastdrol (aka) superdrol and havoc,and helladrol.and am on katandrol v2.0 and a tropical ai formastanzol.they all worked really well with little sides.just my two cents but ph orals are ruff on the liver i was taking lots and lots of support supps and drinkink tons of water.

beastdrol (aka) superdrol and havoc,and helladrol are those gear or something in between ?

Originally Posted by blackoutken

beastdrol (aka) superdrol and havoc,and helladrol are those gear or something in between ?

Every product listed is a steroid, so I would say it is still gear. Dmz that you were looking at is an oral steroid. If you're gonna run something IMO you should just use an injectable and save your liver some stress

ok cool I think I be a lil nervous with needles but how how often would you need to use?

Originally Posted by blackoutken

ok cool I think I be a lil nervous with needles but how how often would you need to use?

Twice a week with Test enanthate is reccomended, I've heard of people doing once a week with good results but your hormone levels will fluctuate alot more which can cause more side effects

I just did my first inject about 4 weeks ago, and I was pretty nervous at first too. Really though its not bad at all, use a 25ga. and you really don't even feel it. I was freaked out about going deep into the muscle but honestly you only feel it for .0001 second as it goes through the skin, the muscle you don't feel at all.

You can still use an oral for the first few weeks while you're waiting for it to kick in, but the injectable will be a much longer cycle and you'll have an easier time keeping the gains

Originally Posted by blackoutken

ok cool I think I be a lil nervous with needles but how how often would you need to use?

dont mean to sound like an ass actually i dont but bro you really really really need to do way more research before you ever consider using AAS and make sure your diets in check

thanks doc

is havoc and helladrol a steroid i tought they where prohormones?

why do people take these prohormones? you have access to tons of cheap gear on this site and most of these compounds have been tried and tested over and over. you know the side effects. you know exactly what your putting into your body. ill take a test only cycle over some crazy prohormone any day.

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

is havoc and helladrol a steroid i tought they where prohormones?

90% of the compounds people call "prohormones" nowadays are actually steroids. I'm not entirely sure on these because I have little interest in them but I'm fairly certain they are both steroids. Not that it really matters that much, both have about the same effect and will cause shutdown. If you're looking for a "prohormone" because you think it will be more mild or less dangerous, then that's really not the case. Prohormones still convert to a steroid in the body, so you're still using gear. You're better off just using test.

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what's lhjo?

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Originally Posted by theCaptn'

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Only thing with PH's is you can buy them with out legal risk, but fact of the matter is they r jus clones of the real thing . They r slightly change to be legal , and you will never really know how that slight change to the compound will react in the body intilled studied long term. So there is pros and cons to both sides of agreement. I know first hand that PH's r deffently no safer than th real deal. other than the legal side . it's ur choice jus read the facts .

Originally Posted by blackoutken

ok cool I think I be a lil nervous with needles but how how often would you need to use?

it's not a big deal man


you don't even feel it going in usually (especially when it's new to you)