Thread: Help with my first cycle test e & d-bol

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• Run the AI all the way through
• Drop the nolva (just keep it in case of an emergency)
• Stop HCG with your last pin (wk 12), do NOT use it in PCT

You should post your diet, goals, and experience (lifting and AAS). Good luck.



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Originally Posted by c_adam35

wk cycle
1-12 test e 500 mg 2 pins a week
1-4 30mg d-bol 10mg 3x day
2-14 500iu hcg a week 1 pin or split?
1-12 .5mg armidex daily


pct 2 wk after last pin
nolv 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/50/50

im 26 solid 215 6'0 i did alot of research but would like to hear from the pros so i don't fuck up my hormones.thanks!

I'm a believer in a test only first cycle. So if it was me, I'd drop everything except the test & clomid for pct. Keep the nolva just in case. Now again thats just my opinion. You never know how you're gonna react. So the way I see it, you wouldnt want a negative reaction & not know whats causing it cause you got 4-5 diff things going on.

Originally Posted by Testoman98

So if it was me, I'd drop everything except the test & clomid for pct.

Why wouldn't you want to use an AI?



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I think you got a good setup. Go kill it. Drop the nolva in PCT though.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

• Run the AI all the way through
• Drop the nolva (just keep it in case of an emergency)
• Stop HCG with your last pin (wk 12), do NOT use it in PCT

You should post your diet, goals, and experience (lifting and AAS). Good luck.



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What are your stats? Age? BF%? amount of time training? I like your setup. Victor is right on the changes that should be done. PCT should be aromasin and Clomid. Clomid at 100/75/50/50mgs ed with aromasin at 25/25/12.5/12.5mgs ed wks 1-4. Cycle looks great. You could use aromasin on cycle instead of adex if you want to but adex is fine for on cycle but stick with aromasin for PCT. I would use the HCG in two divided doses per week 250ius. Looks like you did some research on this. Good Luck. Keep us posted on results.

thanks everyone im going to drop the nolv and i was wondering whats a ai victor?

stats ive been working out for a little over a year now and i started geting in to bodybuilding about 6 months ago and ive put on 28lbs naturally and would like to take the next stepi work out 5 days a week my diet consist of roughly 3500-4000cal. 220gm protein and around 500gm carbs a day

i also wanted to ask what kind of results i might see with this cycle and if i should change my workout when im on cycle for instance i know it take about 3 days for a muscle to heal and grow now on cycle is it like instant ?

Originally Posted by c_adam35

Thanks everyone im going to drop the nolv and i was wondering whats a ai victor?

stats ive been working out for a little over a year now and i started geting in to bodybuilding about 6 months ago and ive put on 28lbs naturally and would like to take the next stepi work out 5 days a week my diet consist of roughly 3500-4000cal. 220gm protein and around 500gm carbs a day

Aromatase inhibitor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^^^Thanks^^^^



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Oh, and I would increase your protein intake as well...




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Sorry what is your age?

If you put on 28lbs naturally you may not be ready for AAS yet. It sounds like you may still have more to grow naturally.. I know you may be in a hurry to get big and ripped but dont' rush it. You want to get there with a steady consistent pace. That is the way to build quality masss. You don't turn into a bodybuilder in a day. It takes years . It sounds like you are gainiing naturally very well so keep it going. When you reach a point where you are no longer gaining naturally for over 6 months then consider it. You want to put on as much muscle as possible naturally if you want to get the optimal effects from steroids. Being you avoided saying your age makes me think you are too young. It is best to enjoy your high natural test while you still have it. Once you start taking AAS it may not come back fully. Your natural test is very effective and it sounds like you are doing well right now. Consider your long term goals.

Originally Posted by tgb1987

if you put on 28lbs naturally you may not be ready for aas yet. It sounds like you may still have more to grow naturally.. I know you may be in a hurry to get big and ripped but dont' rush it. You want to get there with a steady consistent pace. That is the way to build quality masss. You don't turn into a bodybuilder in a day. It takes years . It sounds like you are gainiing naturally very well so keep it going. When you reach a point where you are no longer gaining naturally for over 6 months then consider it. You want to put on as much muscle as possible naturally if you want to get the optimal effects from steroids. Being you avoided saying your age makes me think you are too young. It is best to enjoy your high natural test while you still have it. Once you start taking aas it may not come back fully. Your natural test is very effective and it sounds like you are doing well right now. Consider your long term goals.

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Thanks for the feedback ohh and tgb im 26 almost 27 and from what ive read up u shouldnt consider roids under the age 25 im not trying to cut corners let me clear everything up i started working out about a year and a half ago i started at 260 and in about 8 months dropped to 185 then i decided i want to get big instead of lean so i changed my workout and diet and am now at 215 and feel im at a road block and cant get the mass i want but instead will cut weight

ok vic let me see if i got this right. i take armidex all the way even pct instead of nolva.is this because nolva blocks to much estrogen and will mess with gains and is only be taken in case of symtoms of gyno?

Originally Posted by c_adam35

ok vic let me see if i got this right. i take armidex all the way even pct instead of nolva.is this because nolva blocks to much estrogen and will mess with gains and is only be taken in case of symtoms of gyno?

Start the AI on day one until PCT is complete. Use clomid with your AI until PCT is complete. Keep nolva on hand in case of an emergency.




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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Why wouldn't you want to use an AI?



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I personally dont think he'd need one on a test only cycle, with dbol then yes. Unless he wants to be overly bloated lol. Again test only first cycles are just my personal preference. Most guys are ok with running just test with no nolva or ai needed, of course unless they're prone to gyno. Now I dont think its a must to drop it, but again thats only if he decided to do test only.

An AI is needed for a test only cycle too because the e2 levels will be high when using a source of aromatizeable steroid. Also it will prevent gyno. Some are more prone than others that is why it is so important just in case. Also if you go with aromasin for your AI it will increase IGF and possibly increase gains. Aromasin is also the only AI I recommend for PCT. It works for on cycle too.

I read that aromasin almost completely blocks estrogen and shouldn't be ran unless its a high amount of test. is't my cycle a little lite for aromasin? like i said im new to this and haven't really looked into aromasin that much

what doseage do you run aromasin on cycle?

Originally Posted by TGB1987

An AI is needed for a test only cycle too because the e2 levels will be high when using a source of aromatizeable steroid. Also it will prevent gyno. Some are more prone than others that is why it is so important just in case. Also if you go with aromasin for your AI it will increase IGF and possibly increase gains. Aromasin is also the only AI I recommend for PCT. It works for on cycle too.

This^^^

Plus it also frees up more test.

Originally Posted by c_adam35

what doseage do you run aromasin on cycle?

12.5mg eod is a good place to start.

Originally Posted by c_adam35

I read that aromasin almost completely blocks estrogen and shouldn't be ran unless its a high amount of test. is't my cycle a little lite for aromasin? like i said im new to this and haven't really looked into aromasin that much

It does not block all estrogen. Studies have shown it to block about 80-85% of estrogen, while increasing testosterone and IGF-1 levels.

sounds good i think i might try the aromasin. Also i wanted to ask what place i should choose for my first pin what would be easiest? Im thinking delt would be least painful but quad would be easiest but everyone says glute cause of nerves.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

An AI is needed for a test only cycle too because the e2 levels will be high when using a source of aromatizeable steroid. Also it will prevent gyno. Some are more prone than others that is why it is so important just in case. Also if you go with aromasin for your AI it will increase IGF and possibly increase gains. Aromasin is also the only AI I recommend for PCT. It works for on cycle too.

Understood, and again thats just my take on it. I did my first cycle 10yrs ago and test only, clomid for pct, & nolva w/ai on hand just in case was what I and many others were recommended. That is if you went along with a mild cycle, which most consider 500mg of test to be. I know times have changed and of course it wouldn't hurt, better safe then sorry. Now with aromasin, is that the ai that some have to watch out for estrogen rebound(i think thats what they call it)? I've read that its so effective that once you're off your estrogen levels tend to spike. I believe that was aromasin lol, not sure though.

Originally Posted by Testoman98

Understood, and again thats just my take on it. I did my first cycle 10yrs ago and test only, clomid for pct, & nolva w/ai on hand just in case was what I and many others were recommended. That is if you went along with a mild cycle, which most consider 500mg of test to be. I know times have changed and of course it wouldn't hurt, better safe then sorry. Now with aromasin, is that the ai that some have to watch out for estrogen rebound(i think thats what they call it)? I've read that its so effective that once you're off your estrogen levels tend to spike. I believe that was aromasin lol, not sure though.

Aromasin does not cause estro rebound...yet another benefit of this AI.

Originally Posted by c_adam35

sounds good i think i might try the aromasin. Also i wanted to ask what place i should choose for my first pin what would be easiest? Im thinking delt would be least painful but quad would be easiest but everyone says glute cause of nerves.

It all comes down to personal preference. I prefer quads, but will also pin delts. It is hard for me to reach my glutes to pin, so I don't normally pin there.

Thanks i got all the info i need except how to mix the hcg if i get 5000iu then i would use 20ml of bac water to make 250iu ml? 0r is that to diluted and should do 10 ml and have 500 iu and use half a ml?

im also going to include finasteride (propecia) anyone know a good dose to start out at? also im choosing my delt i got 23g 1 1/2 in pins how deep should i go 1in?