Thread: 36 YO female...Winni or Var ???

Originally Posted by LightBearer

youre tellin me this chick is 26% bf??? on what planet?!?!?!

That is a picture form last Aug 2010 after finishing the first go-round if the Insanity work out - did not have stats available to post the BF then...


As of today After spending two months out of the country and another month elsewhere on vacation she gained a little - but even then while away she still took care of herself...

Originally Posted by BigBird

And why, exactly, would you recommend EQ??

I happen to strongly disagree.

I've seen females achieve magnificent results with assistance of Var; however, their diet and training regiment were dialed in long before they added the Var. In addition, they've continued the same diet/training after the completion of the Var and have managed to maintained the appearance they achieved for the most part.

EQ is a much longer acting compound and MUCH more androgenic than anavar. For someone who just wants to "tone up", again my assumption is that this is someone who knows absolutely nothing about steroids' impact on the hormone profile and is not remotely prepared to deal w/ these sides. Further "a shot of EQ" won't do much of anything as EQ takes a good 5 weeks to 'show itself'.

This is absolutely nothing this woman needs to be fucking around with when, as I said, a consistent diet & training program geared towards her goals will produce results just fine, WITHOUT DRUGS.

I don't think she needs any drugs, seeing what she can obtain naturally-
I was thinking maybe some basic compound movements with free weights, to build up her shoulders as they seem a little droopy, and squats for the thighs of course. Again, from the pic, she can drop fat just fine so no worries there

Originally Posted by sassy69

EQ is a much longer acting compound and MUCH more androgenic than anavar. For someone who just wants to "tone up", again my assumption is that this is someone who knows absolutely nothing about steroids' impact on the hormone profile and is not remotely prepared to deal w/ these sides. Further "a shot of EQ" won't do much of anything as EQ takes a good 5 weeks to 'show itself'.

This is absolutely nothing this woman needs to be fucking around with when, as I said, a consistent diet & training program geared towards her goals will produce results just fine, WITHOUT DRUGS.

Agree 100% Sassy.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

I don't think she needs any drugs, seeing what she can obtain naturally-
I was thinking maybe some basic compound movements with free weights, to build up her shoulders as they seem a little droopy, and squats for the thighs of course. Again, from the pic, she can drop fat just fine so no worries there

pretty much agree


she looks decent but shoulders are definitely lacking, they'd give her upper body a much nicer appearance, and of course working legs/glutes is always good for a female (anyone really but you know what I mean)

put on some muscle and then do an EC stack and she'd look great, without messing with her hormones

Very nice Tander, good job sofar. Overall, I don't see anything I can find to be a negative from your pic. Just need to keep working at it - nice, flat stomach as well.

I was wondering, does the Var have any effects on deepening the vocal chords of women? If taken in moderation, what are the risk of sides (and what are they)?

Originally Posted by phosphor

Very nice Tander, good job sofar. Overall, I don't see anything I can find to be a negative from your pic. Just need to keep working at it - nice, flat stomach as well.

I was wondering, does the Var have any effects on deepening the vocal chords of women? If taken in moderation, what are the risk of sides (and what are they)?

Obviously one of the females around here would know more, but I'd say any type of AAS carries that possibility. Var seems to be the preferred compound so the risks are probably fairly small, but if ran long enough or at high enough dosages some virilization would definitely occur.

And virilization is irreversible but at low dose i.e. 10mg (20mg MAX) this is probably unlikely.

Originally Posted by tander

That is a picture form last Aug 2010 after finishing the first go-round if the Insanity work out - did not have stats available to post the BF then...


As of today After spending two months out of the country and another month elsewhere on vacation she gained a little - but even then while away she still took care of herself...

What exactly is The Insanity Workout? If it is something that is heavily geared towards aerobic training, I'm going to venture, if her diet supporting muscle gain, then she is probably going catabolic.

I was talking to my wife about this last night and she is scared shitless of the voice issue. She is already very svelte in form and thought she could really benefit from a small dose - I will be taking it soon on my cycle and thought to give her a very low dose maybe under 10mg. Not sure if giving her 5 -10mg would really make that much of a difference, however. Sofar, she has been very sensitive to anything I have given her - Melatonatan II at low dose sometimes makes her nauseous and she threw up when giving her a low dose of liq. clen. She must be highly sensitive, obviously. I was thinking maybe a low enough dose of var could give her a good edge in the gym - she wants to put on some lean mass without sides and Var is about the only good ticket, it looks like.

pics???

Originally Posted by phosphor

I was talking to my wife about this last night and she is scared shitless of the voice issue. She is already very svelte in form and thought she could really benefit from a small dose - I will be taking it soon on my cycle and thought to give her a very low dose maybe under 10mg. Not sure if giving her 5 -10mg would really make that much of a difference, however. Sofar, she has been very sensitive to anything I have given her - Melatonatan II at low dose sometimes makes her nauseous and she threw up when giving her a low dose of liq. clen. She must be highly sensitive, obviously. I was thinking maybe a low enough dose of var could give her a good edge in the gym - she wants to put on some lean mass without sides and Var is about the only good ticket, it looks like.

I'd go with 5mg to start. Might not make a huge difference but I think you'd rather she looked a little less in shape and kept her femininity. I'm sure the odds are small but its not something I'd personally want to take any chances with

Originally Posted by phosphor

I was talking to my wife about this last night and she is scared shitless of the voice issue. She is already very svelte in form and thought she could really benefit from a small dose - I will be taking it soon on my cycle and thought to give her a very low dose maybe under 10mg. Not sure if giving her 5 -10mg would really make that much of a difference, however. Sofar, she has been very sensitive to anything I have given her - Melatonatan II at low dose sometimes makes her nauseous and she threw up when giving her a low dose of liq. clen. She must be highly sensitive, obviously. I was thinking maybe a low enough dose of var could give her a good edge in the gym - she wants to put on some lean mass without sides and Var is about the only good ticket, it looks like.

BTW there is no such thing as "without sides" - only the sides you personally don't experience. Ain't nuttin for free when you blow your hormone profile off the charts. I've never heard of anyone experiencing voice change on var. ANYTHING ELSE is wide open.

PLEASE have her google women & anavar. Just the stuff you read here isn't going to cover everything that she should be aware of.

Originally Posted by phosphor

Very nice Tander, good job sofar. Overall, I don't see anything I can find to be a negative from your pic. Just need to keep working at it - nice, flat stomach as well.

I was wondering, does the Var have any effects on deepening the vocal chords of women? If taken in moderation, what are the risk of sides (and what are they)?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Obviously one of the females around here would know more, but I'd say any type of AAS carries that possibility. Var seems to be the preferred compound so the risks are probably fairly small, but if ran long enough or at high enough dosages some virilization would definitely occur.

Originally Posted by BigBird

And virilization is irreversible but at low dose i.e. 10mg (20mg MAX) this is probably unlikely.

I've never heard of anyone experiencing voice change on anavar. ANYTHING ELSE (esp winny) it is very possible and expect it. For most once you come off & the stuff clears (ref:detection time), any voice change, at least in the normal registers, goes back to normal. It is debatable if you ever get your full range back - i.e. if you're a singer, DO NOT USE ANABOLICS.

Generally the amount / duration of virilzation is more dependent on repeated use or very high doses, but still expect some amount if you're going to use any of it. Its your own personal experiment to see what results & what sides your body gives you.

RE: use in moderation- the amount doesn't really matter. The presence of whatever compound is what does it. You can't do "just a little" or use it until you see sides and then stop quick. You either get it or you don't. There is no "half way" w/ steroids and women. You either are prepared & responsible enough for yourself to play on the dark side or GTFO. You have no business screwing around w/ this stuff if you don't get what it does.

Originally Posted by tander

Which is better Winni 10 mg eod or Var 20 mg ed?

36 YO female
5'7"
26.8% BF

Great shape... Lots of cardio...

Goal:
Tone up a bit more and reduce BF...

Second time doing Insanity workout - just started...

You've had great advice in here so far.

I want to ask you this: what's her diet? I mean, EXACTLY what is her diet - how many calories, how many grams protein, carb and fat does she consume?

Originally Posted by sassy69

I've never heard of anyone experiencing voice change on anavar. ANYTHING ELSE (esp winny) it is very possible and expect it. For most once you come off & the stuff clears (ref:detection time), any voice change, at least in the normal registers, goes back to normal. It is debatable if you ever get your full range back - i.e. if you're a singer, DO NOT USE ANABOLICS.

Generally the amount / duration of virilzation is more dependent on repeated use or very high doses, but still expect some amount if you're going to use any of it. Its your own personal experiment to see what results & what sides your body gives you.

RE: use in moderation- the amount doesn't really matter. The presence of whatever compound is what does it. You can't do "just a little" or use it until you see sides and then stop quick. You either get it or you don't. There is no "half way" w/ steroids and women. You either are prepared & responsible enough for yourself to play on the dark side or GTFO. You have no business screwing around w/ this stuff if you don't get what it does.

I'm assuming a female would most likely endure some degree of virilization from a high dose of 'Var (or any aas) for a lengthy period of time. Everything I've ever read points to deepening of the voice as being an irreversible side effect, as is clitoral hypertrophy, if the memory of my readings serves me correct.

Originally Posted by sassy69

I've never heard of anyone experiencing voice change on anavar. ANYTHING ELSE (esp winny) it is very possible and expect it. For most once you come off & the stuff clears (ref:detection time), any voice change, at least in the normal registers, goes back to normal. It is debatable if you ever get your full range back - i.e. if you're a singer, DO NOT USE ANABOLICS.

Generally the amount / duration of virilzation is more dependent on repeated use or very high doses, but still expect some amount if you're going to use any of it. Its your own personal experiment to see what results & what sides your body gives you.

RE: use in moderation- the amount doesn't really matter. The presence of whatever compound is what does it. You can't do "just a little" or use it until you see sides and then stop quick. You either get it or you don't. There is no "half way" w/ steroids and women. You either are prepared & responsible enough for yourself to play on the dark side or GTFO. You have no business screwing around w/ this stuff if you don't get what it does.

Good advice. As a guy there's always a risk of side effects, but as a female I think I'd be afraid to touch the stuff. Make sure this girl really knows 100% what she's doing before she takes anything

Originally Posted by BigBird

I'm assuming a female would most likely endure some degree of virilization from a high dose of 'Var (or any aas) for a lengthy period of time. Everything I've ever read points to deepening of the voice as being an irreversible side effect, as is clitoral hypertrophy, if the memory of my readings serves me correct.

Practically speaking, women don't usually do a high dose of var - general guidance is that if you feel you want more than you're getting out of 20-25 g var/ day, go to an injectible because you start falling into the amounts that become important for liver impact. Also its $$$$$, so the cost of a light cycle of injectible is pennies compared to a high dose of var every day.

Anecdotally, I would actually venture that if you come off the stuff, things return to normal over time. IMO it takes a LOT (high doses, long use) to become "permanently" virilized.

But that said I think people also forget that things like high blood pressure, screwed up cholesterol levels, etc. also come w/ use of AAS, so again, ain't nuttin for free. People are so scared of the extreme sides that they forget about the ones that aren't so visible.

^^ Good point Sassy. One of those "out of sight, out of mind" type of situations. i.e. "my liver and/or lipids must be ok b/c I feel and look ok", etc.