Thread: pct thoughts?

Good rule of thumb for ya, go to 2:1, test to deca. I would consider bumping up your test if you want to run deca @ 300mg (which is a good, moderate amount IMO).

Originally Posted by living good

6ft 4in 225lbs workout on a regular basis 34yrs old done a couple cycles in the past but its been a few yrs, so im starting easy with a deca 300wk, win 100eod and test prop 100eod.... Im gonna go armidex .5dailey from day 1 till last pin then go clomid and nolva for 3-4 weeks. any input ive read about nolva and deca not being a good combo but if im waiting the 3 weeks from the last deca pin is this an ok set up???

You would be better served to run NPP if you are running Prop. NPP is a shorter estered Nandrolone. Otherwise, you will need to run Test Prop for four weeks after discontinuing the deca, in order to have your receptors fully clear of nandrolone prior to starting PCT. If you do not do this recovery WILL be a bitch, and you may experience long lasting effects on libido and test levels. Either that or run a long estered test like Enanthate and run it at least two weeks longer than your deca.

Also with any 19-nor, I STRONGLY recommend running hcg at 250-500mcg x2 per week throughout your cycle.

As far as PCT is concerned, drop the nolva and run Clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Good rule of thumb for ya, go to 2:1, test to deca. I would consider bumping up your test if you want to run deca @ 300mg (which is a good, moderate amount IMO).

thanks animal, I was actually just reading alot about that, easy change to make I have plenty and i'm not starting for another 2 weeks (waiting for pct gear to arrive) you think this pct plan is ok?

Originally Posted by GMO

You would be better served to run NPP if you are running Prop. NPP is a shorter estered Nandrolone. Otherwise, you will need to run Test Prop for four weeks after discontinuing the deca, in order to have your receptors fully clear of nandrolone prior to starting PCT. If you do not do this recovery WILL be a bitch, and you may experience long lasting effects on libido and test levels. Either that or run a long estered test like Enanthate and run it at least two weeks longer than your deca.

Also with any 19-nor, I STRONGLY recommend running hcg at 250-500mcg x2 per week throughout your cycle.

As far as PCT is concerned, drop the nolva and run Clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5.

more advice to drop the nolva. seems like a lot of people are not down with nolva

Don't use nolva or clonus. Go to needtobuildmuscle.com and get some unleashed/post cycle combo and hcgenerate. That all you need

getting so many varying opinions. anbody else have a some advice

Originally Posted by nolimit

Don't use nolva or clonus. Go to needtobuildmuscle.com and get some unleashed/post cycle combo and hcgenerate. That all you need

This^^^ is retarded. Don't listen to him or you'll be sorry. I already told you what to do, bro. Take it or leave it...

^^^^ this is somebody I would listen to. Just sayin'...

Originally Posted by GMO

This^^^ is retarded. Don't listen to him or you'll be sorry. I already told you what to do, bro. Take it or leave it...

Thanks GMO

if ur running deca ull need dostinex for pct

I was just reading about dostinex is that on cycle pct?

Originally Posted by GMO

This^^^ is retarded. Don't listen to him or you'll be sorry. I already told you what to do, bro. Take it or leave it...

Dont get OTC PCT shit.

GMO hit it dead on. HCG throughout the cycle. Either run a long ester test or switch to NPP with the prop. Adex is okay, but Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD is better. Might keep some caber on hand just in case.

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This will bring you back no problemo.

Originally Posted by Jingle

Dont get OTC PCT shit.

GMO hit it dead on. HCG throughout the cycle. Either run a long ester test or switch to NPP with the prop. Adex is okay, but Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD is better. Might keep some caber on hand just in case.

PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/75/50
Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

This will bring you back no problemo.

Clomid and nolvadex is piace of shit. In all my cycles I've ran needto pct and most I've lost is 5 pounds from all my gains and kept all the strength. So don't talk if you don't know

Originally Posted by TakeItToTheLimit

Clomid and nolvadex is piace of shit. In all my cycles I've ran needto pct and most I've lost is 5 pounds from all my gains and kept all the strength. So don't talk if you don't know

DON'T listen to this. Definitely do clomid 100/100/75/50 alongside AI.

Yep clomid for sure. I prefer 6 weeks of it. The last 2 weeks being 25mg

Originally Posted by Himik

DON'T listen to this. Definitely do clomid 100/100/75/50 alongside AI.

No don't listin to this. Clomid you will feel like shit and loose what you gain. Have you ever used needtos pct??!! No exactly so shut up if you don't know what your talking about. I've used closhit in the past for pct and it's shit!

Originally Posted by TakeItToTheLimit

No don't listin to this. Clomid you will feel like shit and loose what you gain. Have you ever used needtos pct??!! No exactly so shut up if you don't know what your talking about. I've used closhit in the past for pct and it's shit!

Dr scally did a great study in which he returned normal hormone levels in ALL participants with the use of SERMS in 45 days. You can't debate a study like that.

To each his own, but why not go with what's tried and true. You could drop the clomid lower like 100/50/50/25. At 50 I don't notice many emotional sides and def not at 25

Originally Posted by TakeItToTheLimit

No don't listin to this. Clomid you will feel like shit and loose what you gain. Have you ever used needtos pct??!! No exactly so shut up if you don't know what your talking about. I've used closhit in the past for pct and it's shit!

You're an idiot. Negs for the bad advice and possibly doing damage to the OP.

Originally Posted by GMO

You're an idiot. Negs for the bad advice and possibly doing damage to the OP.

Your the fucking idiot bitch. my advice is from personal experience. I hate ignorant dumb fucks like you. Closhit andd nolvadex is old school. We in 2011 get with the program. If my pct is so bad how do you explain I've kept all my gains and my strength you dumb fuck?

Nolvadex is fine IMO. And look at some of the recent threads. Says Clomid is overhyped where as tamoxifen is cheaper. I picked up 4 weeks worth for 25 bucks. But YOU have to know you're own body. experiment with both. These drugs are designed to help you restore your natural levels. OTC PCT is untested and could be under dosed. Although E Control by Ironmaglabs is potent. I know guys that have used it and kept their gains. Its a good transition OTC PCT. Other than that you could try Formadrol extreme and use it after Clomid or nolva. Also a good OTC serm. But stick with the real stuff for now and in due time you can figure out what ur body responds to.
Godspeed.

Originally Posted by GMO

You're an idiot. Negs for the bad advice and possibly doing damage to the OP.

Ready to get owned you dumbass

I'll say it right now -- MAKE THIS A STICKY!!!

To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

MOST PCT PROCEDURES ARE BULLSHIT!!!

How can I say that? Well, because PCT is nothing but guesswork -- granted, there's some science and some very clever hypothesis involved, but it is not a medical treatment simply for the fact that it is not recognized as a medical condition. So what some of the pioneers of steroid use did was make some educated guesses as to what to use. But almost everything was considered a "good idea" 10 years ago, has been discredited.

The first "prevenative drug was Nolvadex. This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was brilliant in deducing that gyno was a form of a breast tumor and nolva was an ANTI BREAST TUMOR drug. But nolva comes with a host of side effects, including, lessened gains, lowered sex drive, bone loss,increased LDL and potential heart disease. And for what? Reducing the risk of gyno which can be prevented in the first place. Evn Dan admitted it was a shitty drug. So how did it become so popular for PCT? Because the internet is filled with idiots who are promoted as drug gurus. There isn't one shred of evidence that shows nolva to help restore HPTA. Not ONE. But old habits die fast.

Clomid? Don't get me started. It's an estrogen It does what estrogens do. If you recover using Clomid it's usually IN SPITE of it, not because of it. In some cases it acts as an estrogen antagonist -- if your estrogen is high -- and you're lucky enough to respond in that way. Feeling lucky? You don't have to. There's a better way.

The smartest PCT is a 6 step program.

Step One: While "on" use HCGenerate to lessen suppression.

Step Two: Use hcg or HMG to kickstart your HPTA. This will not last however. The body must take over on its own, but this will help. DO NOT over use hcg. It will only lose effectiveness if you do too much.


Step Three: Use Proviron and/or Unleashed to lower SHBG and increase free testosterone -- making it as high as possible, even when suppressed. At some point you have to come off the Proviron but the Unleashed , which works similarly, can be used indefinitely.

Step Four: Use Aromasin to remove excess estrogen that may build up when androgen levels are lower and to allow the body to create more natural testosterone.

Step Four: Use POST CYCLE to detox Liver, balance e and maintain erectile function -- VERY IMPORTANT when recovering. It keep the hormonal system working and that keeps the body making testosterone.

Step Five: Use Forma- Stanzol to keep Estro on check. If you're ultra sensitive to estrogen sides, add a tiny bit of Arimidex. That's all you need.

Steo Six: Follow with BRIDGE to keep that "on" feeling. gear is also excellent to replicate the extra nitrogen that steroids provide. The 2 work great together.

There you have it. It's a little more complicated than just popping a pill of one thing or the other, but it's the only TRUE PCT there is. And the bottom line is ...it works. EVERYTIME. GUARANTEED.

Do it smart. Do it safe. THIS is the very best PCT as of 2010.

I never mess with OTC pct products, its easy to get the real pct chems and they work. I would get real nolva and clomid.