Thread: Winstrol (Stanozolol) A Basic Guide by Heavyiron

Do you think stacking it with Tbol would be too much stress on the liver?

say 50 winny, 50 tbol for 6-8 wks?

edit: bridged. tbol 1-6 and winny 2-8

Good Info....Thanks Heavy!!

Another great Article ...

good info as always

I've read several different schools of thought on effect difference ( not effectiveness) between oral and inject. Interested in your thoughts on that if you'd be so kind Homey.

Peace and Love

i second that. also, Heavy, your opinion on the debate of lower bf levels to see optimal results from winny.

Originally Posted by SFW

Do you think stacking it with Tbol would be too much stress on the liver?

say 50 winny, 50 tbol for 6-8 wks?

edit: bridged. tbol 1-6 and winny 2-8

To be honest I think stacking orals should only be done for very good reasons. In other words, if you are at the end of contest prep some guys will drop all injects 10-14 days out and only use orals to stay anabolic but dry. It's not uncommon for those last few weeks of prep that winny and anavar are stacked or winny and halo but usually duration is quite short. 3-6 weeks at the end.

I have no problem if a guy wants to do short runs of 50mg daily anavar stacked with 50mg daily winny or even short runs of 100mg winny daily. Your proposal of 50mg winny and 50mg T-bol daily would be the upper end of dosing that I would be comfortable advocating. Your 5 week stack is within an acceptable range of duration for my tastes however I would strongly recommend cycle support as orals at these doses profoundly lower HDL (good) cholesterol and raise LDL (bad) cholesterol. Your stack will no doubt place stress on your liver as well. Stay well hydrated and avoid other stressful things like alcohol and acetaminophen.

With proper nutrition and training your proposed stack will illicit a hard dry look. I would personally use a little bit of Test Prop if it were me. Even 300mg weekly of prop would make a big difference in the outcome of the cycle. I would also run an AI like Aromasin or Arimidex with the test to keep E2 controlled and keep the dry but full look to the muscle bellies.

I'm using the real deal Zambon/Desma (Spain) winstrol depot amps 50mg ED. This is the end of my 2nd week and it has given me a more profound harder and more vascular appearance not to mention the boost in strength to help me over the recent plateau I hit. Awesome stuff. I love it but I'll only be using for four (4) weeks total. All good things must come to an end. Stacking it with Tren, Test and Proviron.

Yes, the injectable version most definately works if ingested orally. And yes, it tastes flat out terrible but a little grapefruit juice goes a long way. I have heard/read that injecting it enables greater nitrogen retention as opposed to drinking it but I think the difference would not be enough to notice therefore I have settled for drinking it.

An easy way to drink it is to use a syringe to draw the oil out of a fish oil cap. Inject winny in the empty fish oil cap and swallow. CT made me aware of this technique a little while back. Great article Heavy. Winny is in my summer plan this year.

great info heavy

Good article once again heavy. I heard that injecting and drinking winny is pretty much the same thing, what's your opinion on that?

Originally Posted by TGB1987

An easy way to drink it is to use a syringe to draw the oil out of a fish oil cap. Inject winny in the empty fish oil cap and swallow. CT made me aware of this technique a little while back. Great article Heavy. Winny is in my summer plan this year.

That would help avoid the nasty flavor of it but I just pop the amp open, pour into a shotglass, add a little GF juice and down it. Sometimes, I open the amp, shoot the winny down my throat - try not to gag - and then chase it with a swig of GF juice. It's so nasty tasting that I'm amazed by it, in a sick way lol.

Nice post. Thanks!

Zambon stop production long time ago,so now NO WAY to get real ZAMBON!

About DESMA,its real real hard to get amps out from pharmacy..even if you have license!

best-regards

wp

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

Zambon stop production long time ago,so now NO WAY to get real ZAMBON!

About DESMA,its real real hard to get amps out from pharmacy..even if you have license!

best-regards

wp

The amps no longer have Zambon imprint. Zambon didn't stop production - they simply merged with Desma and print Desma on the amps. Zambon and Desma are the same. Mine are real. They are working 100%. This is the best Winstrol I have ever used.

As i say NO MORE ZAMBON!

If ur gonna take the injectable orally why not jus get tabs? I realizes winny is for cutting, but I have always been told to stay away for it if ur in hi impact sports ,from drying u out to much. Risk of injury is to great .

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

I've read several different schools of thought on effect difference ( not effectiveness) between oral and inject. Interested in your thoughts on that if you'd be so kind Homey.

Peace and Love

The science is limited but one thing that stands out to me is the fact that some experts state that the oral form of Stanozolol lowers SHBG. They are specific to leave out injectable Winstrol when discussing this so until proven otherwise we only have science that the oral version does this as far as I know. The injectable version may illicit this effect we just don't have confirmation yet. In the trial very low doses of oral winny were used so if you want to lower SHBG (and you should) then a dose of 20mg daily should be sufficient.

Also as you know, the injectable version is stronger mg for mg in regards to muscle building so the effect and effectiveness is different between oral and injectable Winstrol

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1989 Jun;68(6):1195-200.

Sex hormone-binding globulin response to the anabolic steroid stanozolol: evidence for its suitability as a biological androgen sensitivity test.

Sinnecker G, Köhler S.
Source

Department of Pediatrics, University of Hamburg, West Germany.

Abstract

Both the androgen-induced decline in serum sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) levels during puberty and the anabolic effect of exogenous testosterone are absent in patients with androgen insensitivity (testicular feminization). To determine whether the androgen-induced decline in serum SHBG could be used as a test of androgen sensitivity, we studied the effect of the anabolic-androgenic steroid stanozolol (17 beta-hydroxy-17 alpha-methyl-5 alpha-androstano-[3,2-c]pyrazol) on serum SHBG in 25 control subjects, 3 patients with complete androgen insensitivity, and 4 patients with partial androgen insensitivity. Stanozolol was administered orally for 3 days (0.2 mg/kg.day); blood samples were taken before and 5, 6, 7, and 8 days after the beginning of the test for measurements of serum SHBG. The lowest value (i.e. the peak response) in each subject was used as the measure of the response to stanozolol. In the control subjects the mean nadir serum SHBG level was 51.6 +/- 5.9% (+/- SD) of the initial value (P less than 0.001). In the 4 patients with partial androgen insensitivity the nadir serum SHBG ranged from 73-89%, and in the 3 patients with complete androgen insensitivity it ranged from 93-97% of the initial value. Thus, the decrease in serum SHBG after short term administration of stanozolol reflects androgen responsiveness and, thus, may be used to differentiate patients with androgen insensitivity syndromes from those with other causes of male pseudohermaphroditism.

PMID: 2723028 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Heavy, you left out advice as to how to keep our joints from completely drying out while on whinny

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

As i say NO MORE ZAMBON!

No more Zambon printed on the ampules but Zambon is still in business! They have Desma printed on their amps. I still call them Zambon as a habit. Samer quality; the only thing that has changed is the name on the ampules. Zambon and Desma are two names that are used interchangeably. Dosn't matter. The Desma comes from the same place and it's great stuff. Zambon still exists as a company - they just happen to print "Desma" on their Winstrol Depot amps - the same ones I have. As I say, the best quality Winstrol I've ever used. Does WP offer Desma ampules?

Originally Posted by gamma

If ur gonna take the injectable orally why not jus get tabs? I realizes winny is for cutting, but I have always been told to stay away for it if ur in hi impact sports ,from drying u out to much. Risk of injury is to great .

Because my friend with the Desma amps made me an offer I couldn't refuse. I happen to have had the opportunity to get the ampules from an old BB friend for great price that's why. Nothing more nothing less. No big deal, pop them open, drink and get stronger.

I like the injectable version because you have the choice of how you want to take them and you can vary the dose much easier than with a tablet. If I don't feel like doing an inject with the winny I will just swallow it. Nice and easy.

No i do not offer and sale DESMA,because almost only fakes are around! Go to Spain pharmacy and try to buy 1 box! NO WAY to got it...So....How most can still sale it? Will not talk more...

Originally Posted by weightslayer

i second that. also, Heavy, your opinion on the debate of lower bf levels to see optimal results from winny.

Winny is more detectable from a performance standpoint when lower in bodyfat but it works just fine at any bodyfat.

I have started diets with 30 lbs of extra flab and at the end of the cycle I was way leaner and bigger so I don't buy into the whole, you must have low bodyfat to cycle argument.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Winny is more detectable from a performance standpoint when lower in bodyfat but it works just fine at any bodyfat.

I have started diets with 30 lbs of extra flab and at the end of the cycle I was way leaner and bigger so I don't buy into the whole, you must have low bodyfat to cycle argument.

I agree with you about the low bodyfat. Keep the incoming food clean, and juice up and work out... You will shed bodyfat. If not recomp it or both.

Originally Posted by Himik

Good article once again heavy. I heard that injecting and drinking winny is pretty much the same thing, what's your opinion on that?

There is some good science that shows injecting Winstrol is superior to oral administration mg for mg as far as nitrogen retention. I agree with this science at this time.

The effect of stanozolol on 15nitrogen retention in the dog.

Olson ME, Morck DW, Quinn KB.
Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta. molson@ucalgary.ca

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined. Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

PMID: 11041505 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Surviving the liver and getting into the bloodstream, vs complete bypass....

Another Sticky....I love reading this stuff. I've always wondered if Winny and Proviron were the only ones that free up Test?