Thread: Stacking two 19-nor's

Define "minimum dosage." I had an overlap when my Deca ended and I started Tren. No issues but it was only about a 2 week overlap. My thought is to commit to one or the other so as to get better effect of either one instead of minimal effect of both.

Just take your time bro, no need to bang them both out in the same cycle. How about you do like a test deca cycle first do a pct then bang out a test tren cycle do a pct then once you know both compounds and how each affects your body on their own with test. Once you have that experience under your belt then you maybe consider trying it but no I wouldn't jump right into that without having that knowledge.

Originally Posted by BigBird

My thought is to commit to one or the other so as to get better effect of either one instead of minimal effect of both.

^^^This is right on...

Originally Posted by BigBird

Define "minimum dosage." I had an overlap when my Deca ended and I started Tren. No issues but it was only about a 2 week overlap. My thought is to commit to one or the other so as to get better effect of either one instead of minimal effect of both.

By minimum I mean the usually reccomended dosage to get any noticeable effects. I hear 2-300 for deca and 150-200 for tren. So at half would be more like 1-200 for deca and 75-100 for tren.

Originally Posted by TrenMasterFlex

Just take your time bro, no need to bang them both out in the same cycle. How about you do like a test deca cycle first do a pct then bang out a test tren cycle do a pct then once you know both compounds and how each affects your body on their own with test. Once you have that experience under your belt then you maybe consider trying it but no I wouldn't jump right into that without having that knowledge.

Yeah I understand what you're saying. That's most likely what I will do but I wanted to know if this would be possible if done the right way. I'd honestly prefer to run tren, but I will probably hold off on that for a few more cycles. So deca or NPP will most likely be included in my next run. Obviously tren is hugely popular and I love the sound of it, but as I have some shoulder pain and occasional elbow tendonitis I would like to stack a small amount of deca with it to keep collagen repair going.

You can do it no problem.

Just be sure of two things, one your test ratio is almost 1.5 to 2 times the amount of TOTAL 19 nor AND use pramipexole from day one. Other than that you should be fine.

Good luck.

Go with NPP it gives leaner gains than Deca.

if you go that route, you may want to go with NPP..it clears faster so if you start to have 19nor gyno you dont have to have 2 to 3 weeks for the deca or tren e to clear
but if you go with tren a, you could go with deca

Originally Posted by CT

You can do it no problem.

Just be sure of two things, one your test ratio is almost 1.5 to 2 times the amount of TOTAL 19 nor AND use pramipexole from day one. Other than that you should be fine.

Good luck.

Appreciate it bro, I assumed it was doable but that its just not reccomended because too many people would do it wrong. I'm sure every noob hears "tren and deca are some of the strongest AAS" and says COOL I'LL DO BOTH!

How does 650 Test, 200 deca, and 150 Tren sound? Or would you suggest 700 test to get 2x the 19-nor, I'd rather keep it on the low side if possible.

Also what are the benefits of pramipexole over caber/bromo?

Originally Posted by TrenMasterFlex

Go with NPP it gives leaner gains than Deca.

Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. What if I were to go with both NPP and tren ace for the beginning to see how I react and then switch over to deca and enanthate after a few weeks? I don't really mind pinning but if I can get away with less I'd prefer that.

Originally Posted by keith1569

if you go that route, you may want to go with NPP..it clears faster so if you start to have 19nor gyno you dont have to have 2 to 3 weeks for the deca or tren e to clear
but if you go with tren a, you could go with deca

I suppose that wouldn't be a problem. That way I can pin the Ace and then do the deca with my test enanthate injections. If I'm gonna be pinning EOD though I guess I might as well just do npp and ace together and then mix the test in twice a week. I know people mix compounds together in the same pin but would there be any problem with doing all three? I could do half each in different sites if that's too much oil.

I dont think mixing all 3 would cause any problem. If you are doing eod shots..What is gonna be the oil amount per shot? Also what sites do you inj into?

all i have to contribute to this thread is that i wouldnt run this cycle without HCG considering the highly suppressive nature of those two 19nor steroids.

Originally Posted by keith1569

I dont think mixing all 3 would cause any problem. If you are doing eod shots..What is gonna be the oil amount per shot? Also what sites do you inj into?

Looking at my source this is the math I came up with. Would be different if it was dosed differently. NPP =100mg/ml so .5 ml EOD, Tren A= 75mg/ml so .75ml EOD, Test E = 250mg ml so 1.25ml twice a week.

So it would be 1.25ml EOD, and twice a week it would be 2.5ml

Going into glutes or quads most likely, that shouldn't really be a problem right? I can easily separate the test injections if that's too much.

Originally Posted by alphabolic

all i have to contribute to this thread is that i wouldnt run this cycle without HCG considering the highly suppressive nature of those two 19nor steroids.

For sure I will run HCG. I'm not sure which is more suppressive, tren or deca, but I would think this would be no worse than running twice the dose of the more suppressive compound. At least when it comes to shutdown.

ya man 1.25 no prob..and 2.5 i think glutes and quads no probs..i dont know the most you have put in your sites though..

Originally Posted by keith1569

ya man 1.25 no prob..and 2.5 i think glutes and quads no probs..i dont know the most you have put in your sites though..

done 2 in quads for a frontload, didn't feel any worse than 1 really

I'm thinking I might pick up the tren and npp for next cycle, and just start with the npp. See how I feel for a few weeks and then throw in the tren towards the end if all goes well. Might as well stock up anyway while a certain email sale is going on

i think that is a better route..go with just one 19nor and get the gains from that then switch up if necessary

Originally Posted by keith1569

i think that is a better route..go with just one 19nor and get the gains from that then switch up if necessary

Sounds good. I know deca takes a pretty long cycle to really get results but would it be ok to run NPP for 5 weeks and then switch to tren for the last 5? With the short ester gains should start pretty quick right?

well npp takes a little longer to kick in since it is a different ester than the tren ace..i may have missed if, but is your cycle on gonna be 10 weeks? if so, go with the npp throughout the whole 10.

Originally Posted by keith1569

well npp takes a little longer to kick in since it is a different ester than the tren ace..i may have missed if, but is your cycle on gonna be 10 weeks? if so, go with the npp throughout the whole 10.

Yeah 10 most likely, maybe 12 at most. I was kinda leaning towards NPP so I could possibly switch up compounds half way if I decide to, but if I should go the full ten I might just do deca and test E.

this prob wont help but ill take some flame... in 2004 somewhere in that time frame my buddy went from 135lb to around 170lb dosent seem like alot but he was huge. he like 5ft nothing so i asked how you get so huge.. so he introduced my to these two brothers who were giants... and they said here take this and you will get huge.. it was deca and tren lol... so like most young 20 something year olds that dont know crap about anything. i ended up doing 300mg of deca and 300mg of tren a week for 8 weeks with no test and no pct.. i got stronger and bigger faster then ever.. i didnt really have any side but aggression and pimples on the back of my tris.. but lost it all of coarse do to no knowledge.. lol just thought i share my story