Thread: 1st cycle of Test e, please critique.

Why are you taking Nova and clomid. As far as neededles I inject 1.5 23 G

Originally Posted by joboco

AI not needed if not running HCG, again opinions please.

never heard of this. someone explain plz?

Ai has nothing to do with hcg. Hcg is an aesthetic thing makes your balls bigger not necessary in this cycle. Ai is almost always necessary especially with a straight test cycle as it readily converts to estrogen. I'd say run this cycle for 12 weeks then wait 2 weeks and start Pct. no need for nolvadex and clomid. Clomid will work fine. Save the nolvadex for emergency only.IMO

Bro nolva and clomid is perfect choice for pct..... dont listen to them heres a perfect layout for you if you choose to use hcg with your cycle...it can still suppress the testes even at a little dose like 500mg per week.... heres a good layout and pct:

weeks 1-10/12 : 250mg TEST x2 per week
weeks 4-10/12 : 250iu HCG x2 (if you choose too)

Keep nolva on hand and incase of sides.....

PCT:

18 days after last injection

weeks 1-4: Clomid 100mg / 50mg / 50mg / 25mg
Nolva 40mg / 20mg / 20mg / 20 mg

You can also run Arimedex throughout your cycle at .5mg EOD

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Ai has nothing to do with hcg. Hcg is an aesthetic thing makes your balls bigger not necessary in this cycle. Ai is almost always necessary especially with a straight test cycle as it readily converts to estrogen. I'd say run this cycle for 12 weeks then wait 2 weeks and start Pct. no need for nolvadex and clomid. Clomid will work fine. Save the nolvadex for emergency only.IMO

Agreed all around. Definitely use an AI, hcg isn't necessary but it's fairly cheap and it might help your recovery, that's really up to you. And definitely have a small amount of nolva around just in case, again it's cheap and will give you some peace of mind should you start getting gyno symptoms.


I'd say you could add an oral like 30mg dbol for the first 4 weeks, again up to you but I'm glad I did. Other than that it looks good.

Originally Posted by MathewD

Bro nolva and clomid is perfect choice for pct..... dont listen to them heres a perfect layout for you if you choose to use hcg with your cycle...it can still suppress the testes even at a little dose like 500mg per week.... heres a good layout and pct:

weeks 1-10/12 : 250mg TEST x2 per week
weeks 4-10/12 : 250iu HCG x2 (if you choose too)

Keep nolva on hand and incase of sides.....

PCT:

18 days after last injection

weeks 1-4: Clomid 100mg / 50mg / 50mg / 25mg
Nolva 40mg / 20mg / 20mg / 20 mg

You can also run Arimedex throughout your cycle at .5mg EOD

Just curious on tour reasoning for running nolvadex for Pct?

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Just curious on tour reasoning for running nolvadex for Pct?

Well I know I was considering nolva for pct, and had it purchased already. From what I've seen the effects on LH are pretty close to that of clomid, and effects on igf pretty minimal. Plus its cheaper and you don't have to deal with vision/emotional sides like clomid. Ended up buying clomid anyway though just be a little on the safe side. Not sure why one would run both though.

There is absolutely no need to run both Clomid and Nolva during PCT. Clomid is preferred over Nolva primarily because of Nolva's negative effect on IGF-1 levels. As "minimal" as you say it may be, the last thing you want to screw with on PCT is your IGF-1 levels.

OP, run clomid 100/75/50/50 for PCT.

You'll need to run an AI as well with a Test cycle. Aromasin is my AI of choice at 12.5mg eod.

With your cycle, hcg is optional, but is more than aesthetic. It does make recovery a bit easier IMO. Either way, you should recover just fine with Clomid. For optimal recovery, I would run the Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 alongside the clomid for PCT.

Originally Posted by MathewD

Bro nolva and clomid is perfect choice for pct..... dont listen to them heres a perfect layout for you if you choose to use hcg with your cycle...it can still suppress the testes even at a little dose like 500mg per week.... heres a good layout and pct:

weeks 1-10/12 : 250mg TEST x2 per week
weeks 4-10/12 : 250iu HCG x2 (if you choose too)

Keep nolva on hand and incase of sides.....

PCT:

18 days after last injection

weeks 1-4: Clomid 100mg / 50mg / 50mg / 25mg
Nolva 40mg / 20mg / 20mg / 20 mg

You can also run Arimedex throughout your cycle at .5mg EOD

Why are you advising to start PCT 18 days after last pin instead of 14 days?

Originally Posted by GMO

There is absolutely no need to run both Clomid and Nolva during PCT. Clomid is preferred over Nolva primarily because of Nolva's negative effect on IGF-1 levels. As "minimal" as you say it may be, the last thing you want to screw with on PCT is your IGF-1 levels.

OP, run clomid 100/75/50/50 for PCT.

You'll need to run an AI as well with a Test cycle. Aromasin is my AI of choice at 12.5mg eod.

With your cycle, hcg is optional, but is more than aesthetic. It does make recovery a bit easier IMO. Either way, you should recover just fine with Clomid. For optimal recovery, I would run the Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 alongside the clomid for PCT.

Do you advise continuing to use aromasin during the two week waiting period to start your PCT with Clomid?

Originally Posted by M4A3

Why are you advising to start PCT 18 days after last pin instead of 14 days?

Not sure on this but I've heard at 14 days enanthate will still be above normal physiological levels. Meaning you still wouldn't be recovering for the first week, and your 4 week pct would essentially be a 3 week. Don't quote me on this because 14 days seems to be standard, but this is what I've heard. You can get a more accurate calculation by using your dosage and the half life, but I seem to find different half-lives everywhere I look.

Originally Posted by M4A3

Do you advise continuing to use aromasin during the two week waiting period to start your PCT with Clomid?

Absolutely, but at 12.5mg eod. You still have test in your system that will aromatize if you stop taking an AI.

Thanks to you all for your replies.

GMO are you saying to run aromasin throughout cycle @ 12.5 eod. Then from 1st day after last injection continue @ 12.5/12.5. Then for PCT run aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 alongside clomid @ 100/75/50/50.

HCG weeks 4/8/12 could be 250iu twice a week.

Nolva on hand just in case. I did suffer sore/erect nipples on a PH cycle, but no itching or lumps

Originally Posted by joboco

Thanks to you all for your replies.

GMO are you saying to run aromasin throughout cycle @ 12.5 eod. Then from 1st day after last injection continue @ 12.5/12.5. Then for PCT run aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 alongside clomid @ 100/75/50/50.

HCG weeks 4/8/12 could be 250iu twice a week.

Nolva on hand just in case. I did suffer sore/erect nipples on a PH cycle, but no itching or lumps

Not to speak for GMO, but yes, that is what he was saying.

Originally Posted by joboco

Thanks to you all for your replies.

GMO are you saying to run aromasin throughout cycle @ 12.5 eod. Then from 1st day after last injection continue @ 12.5/12.5. Then for PCT run aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5 alongside clomid @ 100/75/50/50.

Run aromasin at 12.5mg eod throughout your whole cycle until you start PCT. Then run it 25/25/12.5/12.5 with your Clomid for PCT.

Originally Posted by joboco

HCG weeks 4/8/12 could be 250iu twice a week.

hcg should be run weekly at 250iu x2/week and stopped before PCT. I'm not sure what you meant by "weeks 4/8/12".

Originally Posted by joboco

Nolva on hand just in case. I did suffer sore/erect nipples on a PH cycle, but no itching or lumps

That is fine...or you could up your dose of Aromasin to 25mg ED, if nips become sore.