Thread: Define UGL

Originally Posted by ROID

I think that every AP and BD product are made to a standard that is on par with any major manufacturer of a human grade hormone.

I think any other product that you buy from WP, bayer test amps, bayer primo, etc....will be a legitimate product and not counterfeit or bunk.

I don't care about the rest.

He doesn't have any payroll people. believe me, as much money as I have payed WP you would think he is on my pay roll. Its worth the money to me and its not a gamble every time I order.

How many threads per day do you see of guys asking if their gear is legit ?

How many people do you see asking if AP or BD is legit ? How many complaints do you see of people asking why its been three months and no gear or for that matter 6 months and nothing ??

i dont doubt its legit.. if i had no access to quality gear then i would pay the extra to make sure i get legit sterile stuff thats going in my body... but i think that WP has a bad wrap for me anyways for being rude even if someone just questions his stuff.. then everyone that has his banner chimes in so quick like we are in middle school and a fight is about to break out with one of your homeboys. thats some dedication for not even getting free gear...(which i still doubt the mods dont get free gear that wear his banner but what ever... im not going to argue about this anymore cause i will never win this one. so you guys won the battle but not the war lol like my homie SD would say

peace and love,

Originally Posted by ZECH

Have you not read this thread? Wp can't be a UGL because he does not manufacture anything.
And no I don't get paid a penny. I just believe in his products. If you have a script for US pharma from a HRT clinic, that's great. Stay with that if you wish.

i never stated he was or wasnt UGL . I was just being sarcastic with ROID if he thought it was UGL..

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

For the record I was gonna leave you and your shop outta this because I think ANY( not just you) forum steroid dealer is UGL, but since you insist pull up a chair .

No you understood me fine. First when you can meet me with my script at a police station legally and sell me a few vials, holla back. Till then, Can you sell those products listed and supply a licence, government approved cert's to sell legally? BTW you don't make none of that shit so if you do you are a bootlegger as well as a black market smuggler. If you can, then you are either SUPER greedy or crazy as hell to risk that for this shit. Do you manufacture them in your factory and do those companies OK you to distribute them illegally over the internet without scripts to anybody? Or do you simply "blackmarket " them illegally and mark them up x10 ? NOT one of the companies listed will sell to anyone without a script or proper paperwork. I'm absolutely sure they would not risk there companies ( some of which have been in business 50 years) to allow you or anyone to willingly break laws in countries where their products a sold legally. To lose their reputations with the medical community,REAL FDA approval, Vast quantities of monies, stock holders, their families, their freedom, be tied up in court all so that you can sell steroids illegally on the internet ?!?!? Does that make any sense at all to anybody ?You are a in the real world and not by my words but by definition a CRIMINAL Homey ! lol A UGL at best , a "black market smuggler " by your own admission at least. Go with the UGL homey. lol Did I understand you ? Better than you'd wish i do lolol.But I got No beef with you bout doin your thin, Just it is what it is. You can fool some of the people some of time, But I don't play that shit. lol I was not gonna bust you out, but in reality you are an example of a really good UGL.From all accounts excellent. But a horrible lier indeed. lol
However I enoy'n bullshitt'n from time to time but occasionally I like to listen to a professional, Please carry on. lol

As far as some of you grown men pretend'n you can't figure out that an illegal enterprise operate'n outside the law admittedly distribute'n legal drugs in an illegal manner and run'n their own brand also sold illegally is UGL,then do your thin.

As to a mention of people import'n legal brands and someone inside the factory hook'n them up. Thats the only thin that I seen thats real,and it happens everyday. Wake up call, those pure powers you think can't be got'n They come the SAME WAY. REAL TALK China is far from the only place if your plug is deep enough. That word illegal opens all kinds of options for obtain'n goods. Only a very naive person would think otherwise.

Peace and Love

You couldn't of called WP a UGL anymore clearly than you did. I was going to write you a book here but it is not worth it. Read the bold print of your own words. Since you have trouble listening to anything anyone else has to say. You did in fact refer to WP (a reseller) as a UGL. You said your first line that any online Steroid dealer is UGL. If you are not producing how is this possible? You claim to WP to be a criminal by definition. Not sure why you insist attacking this sponser here but that needs to stop. Nobody else is permited to bash a sponser. Stop wasting my time SD. If you want to post something to help others do so. Dont' go back and forth with me saying things like a reseller is a UGL or bashing a Sponser. If you want to know what a UGL is reread HeavyIron's posts. I read all of your posts more than one time and I see what is wrong with them and you do not like that/ You need to understand you are not the only one reading your posts and others are going to take them for possibly different meanings than you intended. Look at the post above again , read the bold again, Explain to me how this can be taken for anyother way than that you are saying a reseller is UGL. You need to begin read my posts instead of looking past what I am saying. I was trying to let the members here know that a reseller can not be a UGL unless they are not producing products. Youf disrespectful attitude is not appreciated in your previous post directed to me.

Originally Posted by Klutch

i dont doubt its legit.. if i had no access to quality gear then i would pay the extra to make sure i get legit sterile stuff thats going in my body... but i think that WP has a bad wrap for me anyways for being rude even if someone just questions his stuff.. then everyone that has his banner chimes in so quick like we are in middle school and a fight is about to break out with one of your homeboys. thats some dedication for not even getting free gear...(which i still doubt the mods dont get free gear that wear his banner but what ever... im not going to argue about this anymore cause i will never win this one. so you guys won the battle but not the war lol like my homie SD would say

peace and love,

If you are comfortable with who you get your gear from then stick with them. That is the important part and all that matters.

People chime in because a lot of people have used his gear and its just a fact that what he sells is better than what any other sponsors sells.For the most part it is nothing to do with getting free gear or discounts, BTW anyone here could get the same discount as anyone else, mod or not. You can disagree or flame me but these are just the facts.

This topic went way of course.

Supermans Daddy
Posted up simply what in his opinion was a UGL [Underground Lab]
A "Lab" not seller. That Manufactures and distributes products Illegally.



TGB1987
Came in and confused me and everyone else because he was referring to the distributors no the actual manufacturers.
No Disrespect to TGB1987.


Lets Take Lab X
Lab X is a certified manufacturer and distributor of AAS that follows the rules and regulations set by the government or FDA.

Lab Z
Lab Z operates outside the law. Lab Z manufacturers and distributes AAS Illegally.
Lab Z doesn't follow any rules set by government or FDA.

Lab X Produces HG gear that is regulated and must meet certain standards before being distributed.
Lab Z is a UGL that makes gear but doesn't have to be at the standard of the HG Gear.
Thats not to say that Lab Z product is in anyway worse than Lab X they could be better.

Now Lab X is certified lab.
Lab Z is a UGL.

Now just because a "Source" sells HG gear doesn't mean the gear then becomes UGL because this guy breaks the law in what he is doing.

I buy my Trainers from a guy that sells them illegally.
They where manufactured by Nike.
When i buy them from him they as Still manufactured by Nike.

When it comes to buying its up to you as the consumer to know what you are buying.
Remember when it comes to money people will make all sorts of claims to get your money.
Its up to you to do the research and sort out the BS.

I won't comment on any source on this site as i carry the Naps banner.
But there is only 2 labs and sources i would use Naps is one.

No disrespect taken Blaze. I am sorry I confused you with that. In the statement I posted of SD's above this is why I got on the wholesaler issue. Your post here was what I intended in meaning. This was a great break down of info.

Just read that.
Yeah think everyone just got a little confused and it went of topic as usual.

Should be a rule that when a topic like in this is made.
All sources and board sponsors are kept out of it.

If someone wants to discuss the credentials of a board sponsor they have their own forum which you are more than welcome to visit.

1. I showed you ZERO disrespect, I simply brought up a point bout you misqoute'n me and I did'nt like it because I don't do that to you or any one.

2. Even in the post you copied and very selectively highlighted, explains clearly what I said,include'n "black market smuggler" but I'm sure you "did'nt see that.

3.YOU misqoute me, repost what I said that shows it .............and You get an attititute ????..............man please.

4. This thread was never about a sponsor ( go read the title) until I was ASKED A QUESTION BY A SPONSOR, in which I anwsered honestly my feel'ns on the issue. If he did'nt want to know then he should stay in the sponsor section or simply not ask me cause unlike SOME, I'm not a gear groupie. Be sure you wanna know the truth before you ask me somethin, or don't.

5.You assumed ( as you always do when ever someone mention quality, HG, or UGL) that I was speak'n bout your hero WP which I was not. I was talk'n bout UGL's PERIOD !!!!!!!!! You and him took it there............as always.

6 I'm a grown ass man with kids with babies, I respect those that deserve it. When you dis me , you already had to first disrespect yourself. There was no bash'n just honest expression of my point of view, debates get heated sometimes but I keep it honest and real, I don't have my head up anyone's ass to the point I can't adhere to the laws of reality or this forum which I been round here a lil while.

7 I noticed you take the time to retort on somethin you did to me but never stopped and said.........Damn, maybe I'll look into that. Somebody else had to post for you to see your OWN confuse'n cause'n statement.......because of course I could'nt possibly had been make'n sense, right?

8 I don't need to ask Heavy what a reseller is, I'm sure I know, you scared to give it a name ?

9.GET REAL, anybody break'n the law is a damn CRIMNAL, INCLUDE"N ME, Now what ? You define criminal then. If you believe ANY of this is legal, the I will prayer for guidance for you. Jah is in heaven , not a sponsor.Not meant to bash, or disrespect Thats just the honest to GOD truth. Show me where thats wrong.Last I read the rules it was still cool to THINK !To you bash'n is anythin said/thought/felt/dreamed about,etc, against a certain sponsor and thats ALL DAY REAL ! ( Which why SEVERAL members posted it looks like there's pay off goin down.Because it comes off that bad, and I put that on my mom and kids as a truth) As I said this was never even bout a damn sponsor.DEFINE UGL's ! can you see that ?

Everythin I just wrote is meant with the most respect possible just str8t up with no chaser.We are both men, You're a Mod ,guess what so am I. I will respect you as that but nothin above that, I worship somethin bigger than you or me.Hope you can understand that, if not thats on you.

I m friends FOR YEARS with most of the mods here, 2 have take'n the time to teach me a vast amount of what I know (Heavy and Vic), Vic is like family to me ( we talk alot), Sassy and Built are to classy beautiful intelligent women, DG, and Mudge and me been here since the stone age, over damn near 10 years here member's respect me because they know Ima be real . I been here almost 10 years and I still don't have 1500 post, because I only post bout shit I know or wanna know. Ask them bout me bein disrespectful or on bullshit.I'm brutally honest but disrespectful..........I think not

You're right Homey don't waste no more time on me, it truly is not worth it for me as well. I will avoid any future conflict with you. We now understand each other, no gray area.No beef or drama we just know bout each other know for real now. I assume we're done with this I know I am, so I'd like to say in close'n

Have a wonderful weekend, Bless'ns to you and your family.Be safe and Happy. Find the sun and be friends with it this weekend.


And from the heart ( as always it comes)

Peace and Love

^^^ I think this is a good final note to end this discussion on.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Only confusion comes when you have a sponser selling gear to customers without prescriptions. Many Sources sell what is supposed to be Schering, Organon, Norma Hellas, Iranian Aburaihan, Q pharma and so on. But how do they get these brands if they are Human Grade? If these are legitmate labs that are made for Human Use then why would they be selling them to the public? One possible answer is that maybe in some parts of the world they are legal. In the parts of the world where they are legal they can be purchased in pharmacies without a prescription. When you buy something in a pharmacy that doesn't require a prescription does that mean that it is a UGL to ? Also do you think there may not be someone in the world that is trying to make some extra money and maybe attempts to sell these products illegally straight from the manufactor? Maybe someone from on the inside. Never underestimate the power of money. So my question to you is do you think Parts of the world where AAS are legal and you are able to purchase AAS from pharmacies without scripts should be considered UGL even though it is possible to get Human Grade products? Or are you claiming that Human Grade is impossible to come by without a Script? Or maybe in your mind there is no such thing as Human Grade? Are you saying that all of the middle men that advertise online to sell AAS even though they carry Human Grade products they are now considered UGL products? Or do you think that all of the Human Grade products for sale by these sponsers (middlemen)are all not actually Human Grade? My definition of Underground lab is this. Anyone who attempts to manufactor AAS without proper license, proper equipment, proper manufactoring practices, without the proper raw materials. A lab that does not follow the manufactoring guidlines of the country of orgin. There is not clear cut definition. I wish it was as easy as what you make it out to be Superman's daddy but frankly it is not. Not all countries are alike with there laws and processes. Not every UGL is the same. AAS may or may not be controlled substances in many nations, but they are still medicines. To produce these drugs on the underground , without a license requires access to these medicines in bulk. Underground labs do not have access to the same high pure USP/BP/EP grade pharmaceutical active pharmaceutical ingredients (API) used by Western pharmaceutical companies. The Western supply markets are far too regulated for bulk diversion. The raw powders obtained are , therefore, manufactured and traded in a very different arena. In fact, this entire business exists in what could be considered nothing less than an international gray, or even black, supply market. For example when something is coming from China be careful. The trend of Rouge medicine production in China is very troubling. China produced medicine has been known to contain contaminated pharmaceutical ingredients. There have been many deaths at least 200 in the last 20 years due to this. One was from what was supposed to be pure glycerin and contained Glycol (anitfreeze) and the other big incident was with cold medicine that contained dimethylene glycol. China seems to strongly encourage commerce and exports, and rarely prosecutes chemical companies that make APIs. No sanction ever came from the two incidents above. My point is be careful what you inject. Bad things do happen. If a manufactor doesn't have the proper APIs then who knows what you are injecting.

Not looking to get in to a dspute with you . This is what it is. Your first post was good. You did not mention any sponsers and it was a good definition IMO. I posted this ^ and this is where the confusion began. What I posted here was meant to bring up some good points regarding some issues regarding UGLs . This is where things began to get off topic. That was my fault I believe. As with anything. The longer it is available for others to see things just keep spinning off from there. I don't feel as though I was misquoting you at all infact I showed you directly where I got the idea of a reseller being a UGL with your words. You did show me some disrespect with you last post saying that is is rude for me to be twisting your words when there was no twisting at all. I showed you where In bold in your own words.

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

1. I showed you ZERO disrespect, I simply brought up a point bout you misqoute'n me and I did'nt like it because I don't do that to you or any one.

2. Even in the post you copied and very selectively highlighted, explains clearly what I said,include'n "black market smuggler" but I'm sure you "did'nt see that.

3.YOU misqoute me, repost what I said that shows it .............and You get an attititute ????..............man please.

4. This thread was never about a sponsor ( go read the title) until I was ASKED A QUESTION BY A SPONSOR, in which I anwsered honestly my feel'ns on the issue. If he did'nt want to know then he should stay in the sponsor section or simply not ask me cause unlike SOME, I'm not a gear groupie. Be sure you wanna know the truth before you ask me somethin, or don't.

5.You assumed ( as you always do when ever someone mention quality, HG, or UGL) that I was speak'n bout your hero WP which I was not. I was talk'n bout UGL's PERIOD !!!!!!!!! You and him took it there............as always.

6 I'm a grown ass man with kids with babies, I respect those that deserve it. When you dis me , you already had to first disrespect yourself. There was no bash'n just honest expression of my point of view, debates get heated sometimes but I keep it honest and real, I don't have my head up anyone's ass to the point I can't adhere to the laws of reality or this forum which I been round here a lil while.

7 I noticed you take the time to retort on somethin you did to me but never stopped and said.........Damn, maybe I'll look into that. Somebody else had to post for you to see your OWN confuse'n cause'n statement.......because of course I could'nt possibly had been make'n sense, right?

8 I don't need to ask Heavy what a reseller is, I'm sure I know, you scared to give it a name ?

9.GET REAL, anybody break'n the law is a damn CRIMNAL, INCLUDE"N ME, Now what ? You define criminal then. If you believe ANY of this is legal, the I will prayer for guidance for you. Jah is in heaven , not a sponsor.Not meant to bash, or disrespect Thats just the honest to GOD truth. Show me where thats wrong.Last I read the rules it was still cool to THINK !To you bash'n is anythin said/thought/felt/dreamed about,etc, against a certain sponsor and thats ALL DAY REAL ! ( Which why SEVERAL members posted it looks like there's pay off goin down.Because it comes off that bad, and I put that on my mom and kids as a truth) As I said this was never even bout a damn sponsor.DEFINE UGL's ! can you see that ?

Everythin I just wrote is meant with the most respect possible just str8t up with no chaser.We are both men, You're a Mod ,guess what so am I. I will respect you as that but nothin above that, I worship somethin bigger than you or me.Hope you can understand that, if not thats on you.

I m friends FOR YEARS with most of the mods here, 2 have take'n the time to teach me a vast amount of what I know (Heavy and Vic), Vic is like family to me ( we talk alot), Sassy and Built are to classy beautiful intelligent women, DG, and Mudge and me been here since the stone age, over damn near 10 years here member's respect me because they know Ima be real . I been here almost 10 years and I still don't have 1500 post, because I only post bout shit I know or wanna know. Ask them bout me bein disrespectful or on bullshit.I'm brutally honest but disrespectful..........I think not

You're right Homey don't waste no more time on me, it truly is not worth it for me as well. I will avoid any future conflict with you. We now understand each other, no gray area.No beef or drama we just know bout each other know for real now. I assume we're done with this I know I am, so I'd like to say in close'n

Have a wonderful weekend, Bless'ns to you and your family.Be safe and Happy. Find the sun and be friends with it this weekend.


And from the heart ( as always it comes)

Peace and Love

YO YO son

you better check yo self before u wreck yo self home fry

DO NOT BE TALKING ABOUT DAS FUROR, ie WP

I am the most FAMOUS member here at IM. Vic, CT, HI, they all be hating on me because they are jealous of my fame and notoriety. I'm the bomb shizzle nizzle.

If I say WP sells the best damn gear in the world then it must be the truth. After I use AP every barbell I touch turns into Gold instantly.



I love you

Originally Posted by Himik

^^^ I think this is a good final note to end this discussion on.

I Agree Himik.

Everyone just got a little confused.

Originally Posted by ROID

YO YO son

you better check yo self before u wreck yo self home fry

DO NOT BE TALKING ABOUT DAS FUROR, ie WP

I am the most FAMOUS member here at IM. Vic, CT, HI, they all be hating on me because they are jealous of my fame and notoriety. I'm the bomb shizzle nizzle.

If I say WP sells the best damn gear in the world then it must be the truth. After I use AP every barbell I touch turns into Gold instantly.



I love you

You already know I love you back Homey, even though you are crazy as hell !

Peace and Love

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Not looking to get in to a dspute with you . This is what it is. Your first post was good. You did not mention any sponsers and it was a good definition IMO. I posted this ^ and this is where the confusion began. What I posted here was meant to bring up some good points regarding some issues regarding UGLs . This is where things began to get off topic. That was my fault I believe. As with anything. The longer it is available for others to see things just keep spinning off from there. I don't feel as though I was misquoting you at all infact I showed you directly where I got the idea of a reseller being a UGL with your words. You did show me some disrespect with you last post saying that is is rude for me to be twisting your words when there was no twisting at all. I showed you where In bold in your own words.

I'm done with that, it's whatever you say it is Homey. You can do whatever you want with the word game. I no longer care. I got a nice 1967 Fender Statocaster ( maple neck) that I'm get'n ready to plug into a Mesa Boogie Lone Star Amp and I'm leave'n the planet for a while. lol

Peace and Love

What I quoted from you was with your words not mine. You did directly reference about a sponser and called a reseller a UGL that is what got me involved in the first place. Explain what I qouted from you. That is where you were wrong. I admitted where I went off course above. THis is where you went and said things that you and I know are not real at all. Yeah you said black market smuggler which is what any reseller can be considered. So what? You still claimed a reseller is a UGL. You know and I know this is not possible unless producing products. You can go on and on with your respectful this and that but I am not falling for it. You continously stat disrespectful statements in nearly every post. Just because you say you mean this with respect doesn't give you a right to disrespect. What is legal and what is illegal , I think we know what all of this is means for most of us, AAS are illegal in most parts of the world. In the end when someone says every post is real and truth, I expect that and when it is not or when it is just opinion I am going to say so. IT is what it is. I am sure we will both have support for what we said here but truly this thread went from the simple topic that you started it out to be and turned into something else. I am sorry to those who thought I was off topic with the reseller issue because I was off topic. But what I quoted from you SD clearly shows something needed to be brought to light about your statement whether you meant it to be this way or not. That is a Reseller can not be a UGL and you agreed with this SD, that is why you wanted me to show you where I got that statement from your post. Well I did show you and apparently that is not enough. With that being said I think this is way off topic and the point has been made for what you intended SD, in the beginning with your opening statement it stated what A UGL is as well as Heavyiron's posts that followed.