Thread: Define UGL

If it's made in a place like this:

Clandestine, concealed or hidden. Made in a place where law enforcement cannot find it easily. Usually not a large factory. Totally unregulated.

Originally Posted by OfficerFarva

If it's made in a place like this:

I like that place. lol

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Originally Posted by OfficerFarva

If it's made in a place like this:

Wouldn't mind testing some gear from that company.

On topic: I believe that any company, that openly supports steroid-related forums and sells gear without any kind of script is indeed outside the realm of law, hence it is UGL. Now that does not necessarily make their gear any worse or better than true human grade, like Organon or Schering, as long as the manufacturing process is kept up to standards they are g2g.

Originally Posted by Himik

Wouldn't mind testing some gear from that company.

On topic: I believe that any company, that openly supports steroid-related forums and sells gear without any kind of script is indeed outside the realm of law, hence it is UGL. Now that does not necessarily make their gear any worse or better than true human grade, like Organon or Schering, as long as the manufacturing process is kept up to standards they are g2g.

100% agree

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[QUOTE=Himik;2297108]Wouldn't mind testing some gear from that company.

On topic: I believe that any company, that openly supports steroid-related forums and sells gear without any kind of script is indeed outside the realm of law, hence it is UGL.

I agree , but would not like to push that fact , since in the future they might go by the way of Genxgear ! I do not want to slap the hand that feeds me . . People need to learn to see through the Bulls..t

Any company selling gear without needing a script = UGL. Some are better then others.

Only confusion comes when you have a sponser selling gear to customers without prescriptions. Many Sources sell what is supposed to be Schering, Organon, Norma Hellas, Iranian Aburaihan, Q pharma and so on. But how do they get these brands if they are Human Grade? If these are legitmate labs that are made for Human Use then why would they be selling them to the public? One possible answer is that maybe in some parts of the world they are legal. In the parts of the world where they are legal they can be purchased in pharmacies without a prescription. When you buy something in a pharmacy that doesn't require a prescription does that mean that it is a UGL to ? Also do you think there may not be someone in the world that is trying to make some extra money and maybe attempts to sell these products illegally straight from the manufactor? Maybe someone from on the inside. Never underestimate the power of money. So my question to you is do you think Parts of the world where AAS are legal and you are able to purchase AAS from pharmacies without scripts should be considered UGL even though it is possible to get Human Grade products? Or are you claiming that Human Grade is impossible to come by without a Script? Or maybe in your mind there is no such thing as Human Grade? Are you saying that all of the middle men that advertise online to sell AAS even though they carry Human Grade products they are now considered UGL products? Or do you think that all of the Human Grade products for sale by these sponsers (middlemen)are all not actually Human Grade? My definition of Underground lab is this. Anyone who attempts to manufactor AAS without proper license, proper equipment, proper manufactoring practices, without the proper raw materials. A lab that does not follow the manufactoring guidlines of the country of orgin. There is not clear cut definition. I wish it was as easy as what you make it out to be Superman's daddy but frankly it is not. Not all countries are alike with there laws and processes. Not every UGL is the same. AAS may or may not be controlled substances in many nations, but they are still medicines. To produce these drugs on the underground , without a license requires access to these medicines in bulk. Underground labs do not have access to the same high pure USP/BP/EP grade pharmaceutical active pharmaceutical ingredients (API) used by Western pharmaceutical companies. The Western supply markets are far too regulated for bulk diversion. The raw powders obtained are , therefore, manufactured and traded in a very different arena. In fact, this entire business exists in what could be considered nothing less than an international gray, or even black, supply market. For example when something is coming from China be careful. The trend of Rouge medicine production in China is very troubling. China produced medicine has been known to contain contaminated pharmaceutical ingredients. There have been many deaths at least 200 in the last 20 years due to this. One was from what was supposed to be pure glycerin and contained Glycol (anitfreeze) and the other big incident was with cold medicine that contained dimethylene glycol. China seems to strongly encourage commerce and exports, and rarely prosecutes chemical companies that make APIs. No sanction ever came from the two incidents above. My point is be careful what you inject. Bad things do happen. If a manufactor doesn't have the proper APIs then who knows what you are injecting.

^^^well said

I consider a label UGL, when it's not a HG brand. It's pretty cut and dry to me. I don't believe it's even relevant to mention if you need a script for them or not. Who cares? That doesn't make it UGL.

There's HG gear, and UGL gear. That's it.

NOT TRUE!

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

A lab, that sells illegal drugs( steroids) in any country that they are illegal in Knowledge of violate'n that country's laws, or (domestic ) to any person that happens to have ready cash, no script,on the internet no matter the production method, or quality is a UGL.

SO ORGANON,NORMA,SCHERING,GALENIKA,ASTRA ZENICA,ETC IS UGL I SALE IN MY SHOP????

or i didnt understand you..?

UGL is a lab that sells ANY brand of gear (whether actual pharm grade or made in a basement) without scripts and who isnt regulated by anyone.
So WP is indeed UGL.

A good example is a drug dealer who sells Xanax. His Xanax are FDA approved and legit but he is NOT authorized to dispense without regulation.

'WP is a UGL that sells HG gear and Non-human grade gear.

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

SO ORGANON,NORMA,SCHERING,GALENIKA,ASTRA ZENICA,ETC IS UGL I SALE IN MY SHOP????

or i didnt understand you..?

You dont understand.

You are a UGL. You sell steroids illegally. Whether youre selling Human grade or not, you are not authorized to do so.

hence, UGL


GICH!

Just because a legal human grade product in one Country is sold illegally in another Country does not make the product an underground at all. If someone re-sells Watson Cypionate in the US illegally it's not an UGL that made the Watson Cyp.


UGL's are clandestine, unregulated manufacturers of drugs.

WP, If I read this correctly, by your thoughts none of us over "here" can get anything that is considered HG then. Because even if it is a legit HG amp of Schering, since it's bought without a script illegally, then it's a UGL by your reasoning.

To me, if the gear is HG at some point in it's life (In a finished product ie Amps, or Vials, not powder.) I don't care if I had a pull it out of a dead bum's asshole, it's still HG gear.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Just because a legal human grade product in one Country is sold illegally in another Country does not make the product an underground at all. If someone re-sells Watson Cypionate in the US illegally it's not an UGL that made the Watson Cyp.


UGL's are clandestine, unregulated manufacturers of drugs.

So wait...

Youre saying if a UGL makes a disclaimer such as "please check your countries laws when purchasing steroids", this somehow makes them completely legit and NOT underground?

Interesting.




Can we agree that WP is a UGL that happens to sell HG gear or are we so stuck up their asses that we still need to deny the obvious?

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

WP, If I read this correctly, by your thoughts none of us over "here" can get anything that is considered HG then. Because even if it is a legit HG amp of Schering, since it's bought without a script illegally, then it's a UGL by your reasoning.

To me, if the gear is HG at some point in it's life (In a finished product ie Amps, or Vials, not powder.) I don't care if I had a pull it out of a dead bum's asshole, it's still HG gear.

WP copied and pasted SD's post instead of using the quote feature. Let me edit it to make his point more clear.

Originally Posted by SFW

So wait...

Youre saying if a UGL makes a disclaimer such as "please check your countries laws when purchasing steroids", this somehow makes them completely legit and NOT underground?

Interesting.




Can we agree that WP is a UGL that happens to sell HG gear or are we so stuck up their asses that we still need to deny the obvious?

My point is, its the products original manufacturer not the re-seller that defines UGL.

My Watson Cyp is purchased legally with a script from my doctor. Its not an UGL product at all because it's made in an open regulated facility legally, no mater how many times it's resold. If I re-sell it illegally its still the same quality product.

Real labs have addresses and are inspected. UGL's are hidded, concealed and clandestine. UGL's manufacture outside of regulation and the law.

By your definition my Watson Cyp is an UGL as soon as it is re-sold illegally. I respectfully disagree.

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

NOT TRUE!

A lab, that sells illegal drugs( steroids) in any country that they are illegal in Knowledge of violate'n that country's laws, or (domestic ) to any person that happens to have ready cash, no script,on the internet no matter the production method, or quality is a UGL.


SO ORGANON,NORMA,SCHERING,GALENIKA,ASTRA ZENICA,ETC IS UGL I SALE IN MY SHOP????

or i didnt understand you..?

For the record I was gonna leave you and your shop outta this because I think ANY( not just you) forum steroid dealer is UGL, but since you insist pull up a chair .

No you understood me fine. First when you can meet me with my script at a police station legally and sell me a few vials, holla back. Till then, Can you sell those products listed and supply a licence, government approved cert's to sell legally? BTW you don't make none of that shit so if you do you are a bootlegger as well as a black market smuggler. If you can, then you are either SUPER greedy or crazy as hell to risk that for this shit. Do you manufacture them in your factory and do those companies OK you to distribute them illegally over the internet without scripts to anybody? Or do you simply "blackmarket " them illegally and mark them up x10 ? NOT one of the companies listed will sell to anyone without a script or proper paperwork. I'm absolutely sure they would not risk there companies ( some of which have been in business 50 years) to allow you or anyone to willingly break laws in countries where their products a sold legally. To lose their reputations with the medical community,REAL FDA approval, Vast quantities of monies, stock holders, their families, their freedom, be tied up in court all so that you can sell steroids illegally on the internet ?!?!? Does that make any sense at all to anybody ?You are a in the real world and not by my words but by definition a CRIMINAL Homey ! lol A UGL at best , a "black market smuggler " by your own admission at least. Go with the UGL homey. lol Did I understand you ? Better than you'd wish i do lolol.But I got No beef with you bout doin your thin, Just it is what it is. You can fool some of the people some of time, But I don't play that shit. lol I was not gonna bust you out, but in reality you are an example of a really good UGL.From all accounts excellent. But a horrible lier indeed. lol
However I enoy'n bullshitt'n from time to time but occasionally I like to listen to a professional, Please carry on. lol

As far as some of you grown men pretend'n you can't figure out that an illegal enterprise operate'n outside the law admittedly distribute'n legal drugs in an illegal manner and run'n their own brand also sold illegally is UGL,then do your thin.

As to a mention of people import'n legal brands and someone inside the factory hook'n them up. Thats the only thin that I seen thats real,and it happens everyday. Wake up call, those pure powers you think can't be got'n They come the SAME WAY. REAL TALK China is far from the only place if your plug is deep enough. That word illegal opens all kinds of options for obtain'n goods. Only a very naive person would think otherwise.

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These threads are so pointless. WHO CARES?

YOU decide for yourself what YOU want to use. You can think of it any way you want.

There is no such thing as HG tren or EQ anyhow so if you've ever used it then you used a UGL PERIOD.

Sterile not sterile we could go on for days, bottom line is trust your source, if you don't, get a new one or get out of the game.

Originally Posted by CT

These threads are so pointless. WHO CARES?

YOU decide for yourself what YOU want to use. You can think of it any way you want.

There is no such thing as HG tren or EQ anyhow so if you've ever used it then you used a UGL PERIOD.

Sterile not sterile we could go on for days, bottom line is trust your source, if you don't, get a new one or get out of the game.

Post of the day, from the man of the Hour.

Peace and Love

Originally Posted by CT

These threads are so pointless. WHO CARES?

YOU decide for yourself what YOU want to use. You can think of it any way you want.

There is no such thing as HG tren or EQ anyhow so if you've ever used it then you used a UGL PERIOD.

Sterile not sterile we could go on for days, bottom line is trust your source, if you don't, get a new one or get out of the game.

Well put .... it is what it is ...

Whether it is legal or illegal for someone like WP to sell his products is one thing but that has nothing to due with whether the products he sells are UGL or HG. By what you stated in your post Supermann's daddy it clears up a lot of what's been being said from you. Your post clearly says to me that you consider all brands no matter who the manufactor is to be UGL if it is sold illegally on the black market. This is totally ridicoulous. I respect you and your knowledge but you are off base here. Whether or not you have a script to buy a product has nothing to do with it being UGL or HG either. If you are using a human grade brand is what matters whether it is a UGL or HG. Like Heavy said if you get a script of Watson test in the U.S. legally by script it is HG. If he goes and takes that same test and sells it illegally to someone else that test is still Human Grade it doesn't magically turn into UGL.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

My point is, its the products original manufacturer not the re-seller that defines UGL.

My Watson Cyp is purchased legally with a script from my doctor. Its not an UGL product at all because it's made in an open regulated facility legally, no mater how many times it's resold. If I re-sell it illegally its still the same quality product.

Real labs have addresses and are inspected. UGL's are hidded, concealed and clandestine. UGL's manufacture outside of regulation and the law.

By your definition my Watson Cyp is an UGL as soon as it is re-sold illegally. I respectfully disagree.

This is correct ^. You guys that said WP is a UGL obviously don't understand the concept of what a UGL is. WP has nothing to do with making these products. NOTHING. He is a reseller. He is not making them this is another reason for the difference in prices compared to UGLs that make their own. WP is not able to be a UGL because he is not a manufacter. This thread explains a lot of why some of you want to say WP is UGL. It's because some of you don't understand the concept. Heavy is right on the money without any question with his explaination above ^

I'm not even gonna get involved in this one haha

if the place making the steroids is NOT FDA approved for production and distrabution OF HUMAN GRADE products for sale for HUMAN use then it is a UGL.

haveing FDA aproval for processing raw powders DONT count.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

My point is, its the products original manufacturer not the re-seller that defines UGL.

My Watson Cyp is purchased legally with a script from my doctor. Its not an UGL product at all because it's made in an open regulated facility legally, no mater how many times it's resold. If I re-sell it illegally its still the same quality product.

Real labs have addresses and are inspected. UGL's are hidded, concealed and clandestine. UGL's manufacture outside of regulation and the law.

By your definition my Watson Cyp is an UGL as soon as it is re-sold illegally. I respectfully disagree.

I agree with you 1000%!
very well put!

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Whether it is legal or illegal for someone like WP to sell his products is one thing but that has nothing to due with whether the products he sells are UGL or HG. By what you stated in your post Supermann's daddy it clears up a lot of what's been being said from you. Your post clearly says to me that you consider all brands no matter who the manufactor is to be UGL if it is sold illegally on the black market. This is totally ridicoulous. I respect you and your knowledge but you are off base here. Whether or not you have a script to buy a product has nothing to do with it being UGL or HG either. If you are using a human grade brand is what matters whether it is a UGL or HG. Like Heavy said if you get a script of Watson test in the U.S. legally by script it is HG. If he goes and takes that same test and sells it illegally to someone else that test is still Human Grade it doesn't magically turn into UGL.

And for myself I repect your input ,knowledge, and wisdom. Always. I also welcome your retorts as they prove stimulate'n for the mind. NEVER ONCE ( and I ask you to point this out if you can find it written by me)did I say I consider all "BRANDS" UGL,that's insane. I'd suggest you may wanna go read again. What I PLAINLY said is that any lab that sells THEIR products on the internet to anyone without a script with ready cash illegally qualifies. You are so ready to defend that you not only misread my statement then commeted but also overlooked my statement that " he is an example of an excellent UGL, but I'm not gonna start wave'n poms poms and shit. And you are correct UGL and HG make difference when puchase'n from a UGL but when someone makes claims they are not a UGL what else does that leave them to be other a legal source.Since we both seem to like to quote Heavy " operate'n away from the reach of the law". You heard of a legal UGL ,now THAT'S ridiculous. Either you are or you ain't, that simple.You can buy oxycontin and Lilly f 40's, roar 714s off the street that does'nt make them UGL, it DOES make the Ilegal , Blackmarket stuff.. X is UGL . They make and they sell it,Get it .Both when purchased off the street are sold by ( classy name) reseller ( real name )dealer come to you by the same source.That don't make the X dealer not a UGL because he sell oxys if he still makes X. He's just hustle'n.Thats not a concern it's all bout the money, he'll sell whatever get him paid.
If someone has a lab.......A LAB and sell products from THEIR LAB outside the law (underground) I don't care what legal stuff they sell illegally on the side,How the hell are they not a UGL ?

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