Thread: shifting into gear

Test E or C @ 500mg for 12 weeks

First Cycle and PCT

You are not ready for gear if you are tired of eating 4k cals a day on regular bases, newbies do not understand that gear is a supplement and not a replacement for a diet.

Originally Posted by Hell

Test E or C @ 500mg for 12 weeks

First Cycle and PCT

^^ this keep it simple and you will have a way more enjoyable experience.

Originally Posted by Himik

You are not ready for gear if you are tired of eating 4k cals a day on regular bases, newbies do not understand that gear is a supplement and not a replacement for a diet.

This is the truth, you have to eat even when you don't want to. Gear is not some magic elixir that you just take and grow.

I agree with the above you are still going to need to keep your calories and or diet in line to get the most benefit from your cycle. I would go with Test C at 500mg per wk for 12 wks, and you may want to add some Deca 200mg per wk should be good but cut it off in wk 9 or 10 you want to come off the deca before you stop the test. 2 to 3 wks should be enough. This will help compliment your test very nicely and it will help you prevent any joint pain or damage. Very good for the joints.

Whoa I missed that first part my bad!! "too hard"? If 4000 cals is to hard you have no idea what it takes to do this. 4000cals is a little more than I eat while cutting lol you don't grow in the gym bro you grow in the kitchen and bed. And gear is just icing on a Cale made of tons of food and hardwork.

Originally Posted by antiage

27
175 lbs
5'10"
9-10% body fat
Bench-255
squat 315 10 times
"full time student" (Chemistry)
never ran a cycle
supplements, (protein, creatine, I have taken PH pills, once for like a week, 5 yrs ago, then stopped.
I work out several times a week, unless i have time then its gym all the time.

Basically, im tired of being 175-180, Im trying to get up to 190-195 and i have tried the 4000 calories a day, and heavy lifting, its just too damn difficult. I would love for the gym to be my full time job, (wake up, eat big, hit the gym, rest, eat big, hit the gym,....) but i have to finish these classes and i only have like 2 hrs to work out, max, about 3 times a week.
Now that summer is coming up, im going to get into a serious work out routine again, but i dont want to do the roller coaster thing and loose 10 lbs when i have full time classes again in the fall.
So im shifting my focus into PH or gear. I really need some advice or direction, I have done my research but all I find is that you never know for sure whats good/ effective out there due to the ambiguity created by all the competition or whatever.
So basically what "gear" should i shift into. Im thinking about starting off with PH and a good PCT along with the usual, protein, creatine, and a super heavy diet.
Any advice would be appreciated.

thanks,
antiage.

I'm not gonna hit you with the age card as some might, I started at 17 but that was my own choice and one I don't regret not that i'm applauding it.
1. at 175 and 5'10 you are no where near your genetic max and so at this stage it is not worth going to gear.
2.you say you've taken PH pills for a week and then stopped. What not even a basic PCT? the fact you can't even take these substances seriously is alarming to say the least.
3. 4000 cals a day is easy to eat. you say its too hard. if you don't enjoy training you'll never reap its rewards and it won't be easy some days eating but its gotta be done.
4.the "roller coaster" thing is more likely if you use AAS.

the long and short of it is your not mentally or ready for AAS and have more important work to see to.

Originally Posted by Anabolic5150

This is the truth, you have to eat even when you don't want to. Gear is not some magic elixir that you just take and grow.

Anabolic as per usual is bang on the money.

Eating enough is very difficult for me, although I have a pretty good method down now, oatmeal with peanutbutter and honey, bagel with cream cheese, milk and almonds in the morning, protein shake between meals. I usually make sandwiches, or two tuna cans with mayo and stuff for lunch, and i try to eat a big dinner, in the mean time snacking on almonds/cashews and drinking milk. Even a meal before bed, and still when i track my intake on mypyramidtracker.gov it says im not much over 4000 calories, allthough i usually get 190 grams of protein.

I know how to pack it away, but damn, it seems like I eat constantly and still i hardly see any gains. I feel like im killing it on the diet and weights, and even when I get alot of good weeks stacked up, I still barely get to 180. . My metabolism is crazy fast, and im just thinking that my body is just really settled where its at, which is why im wanting to kickstart it.


I did take PH for maybe a week or two a while back when i was in the army, but i got word that some random testing was coming up so I just stopped.

I think I worded a sentence wrong, life is a rollercoaster for sure, Im trying to get off of the 170 180 rollercoaster, lol, I would be stoked to go from 200 to 190..

Either way, thanks for the advice, Ive been thinking about shifting for a while now.

It sounds like you have short bursts of time you can work out hardcore. Then in the fall you basically stop. Then start up again. I hate to break it to you, but you will shrink back down on AAS just like you would if you didn't use it at all. It's something that needs to be maintained all the time if you want to stay above 190 when you naturally float around 175

Originally Posted by spartan1

I agree with the above you are still going to need to keep your calories and or diet in line to get the most benefit from your cycle. I would go with Test C at 500mg per wk for 12 wks, and you may want to add some Deca 200mg per wk should be good but cut it off in wk 9 or 10 you want to come off the deca before you stop the test. 2 to 3 wks should be enough. This will help compliment your test very nicely and it will help you prevent any joint pain or damage. Very good for the joints.

he;s a beginner its not good advise for him to take deca on a first cycle.

Mannnnn I feel your pain. I was a chemistry major for a while, and now have an even more demanding career. It is pretty close to impossible to work out and pack in enough food around finals and assignments.

But think about this, if you are eating 4000cal now and maintaining your weight, even if you do PH or AAS over the summer you will have to eat more than that to maintain your new weight (assuming that you put on some pounds). I've recently come to terms with that since I just started my first cycle. Well, good luck with whatever you decide!

Originally Posted by antiage

Now that summer is coming up, im going to get into a serious work out routine again, but i dont want to do the roller coaster thing and loose 10 lbs when i have full time classes again in the fall.

Uh, what do you think is going to happen at the end of your cycle anyway???? You will lose ten pounds or more.

If you think you can put on ten pounds naturally this summer, then do it and stay away from the gear.

Gear will not put permanent weight on you, so the weight will come off again in the fall - serious "roller coaster thing."

Just go with test e 500mgs/week. That is my advice for what its worth.