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    Just wondering what everyone's opinion on a strength cycle. I've always wanted to figure out how to keep the superior gains from Anadrol and Dbol so I'm thinking something like this:

    Tren with 50mg Anadrol and 20mg Dbol for the first half of the cycle
    Test Suspension and Winstrol blend with Proviron and Anavar for the last half of the cycle.
    Granted Letro throughout the whole cycle and open to suggestions for PCT and OCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinbro View Post
    Just wondering what everyone's opinion on a strength cycle. I've always wanted to figure out how to keep the superior gains from Anadrol and Dbol so I'm thinking something like this:

    Tren with 50mg Anadrol and 20mg Dbol for the first half of the cycle
    Test Suspension and Winstrol blend with Proviron and Anavar for the last half of the cycle.
    Granted Letro throughout the whole cycle and open to suggestions for PCT and OCT.
    Stats? Age/height/weight/BF%/training history/cycle history???

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    Keeping gains for me means working out a good PCT and putting together a good diet and training routine.

    PCT is the hardest part.
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    good advice here

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    I see ALOT of problems with that cycle, your only going to run test half the time? Your going to run tren without test? And why letro why not aromasin or adex? Are you gyno prone?

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    And 20mg dbol did nothing for me I had to run 50, this isnt your first cycle is it? Please post the info gmo requested

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMO View Post
    Stats? Age/height/weight/BF%/training history/cycle history???
    34/5'10"/200/10%/forever/since 25 once or twice a year sometimes none

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROID View Post
    Keeping gains for me means working out a good PCT and putting together a good diet and training routine.

    PCT is the hardest part.
    So whats a good PCT for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faon View Post
    I see ALOT of problems with that cycle, your only going to run test half the time? Your going to run tren without test? And why letro why not aromasin or adex? Are you gyno prone?
    Quote Originally Posted by faon View Post
    And 20mg dbol did nothing for me I had to run 50, this isnt your first cycle is it? Please post the info gmo requested
    What problems? So many variables I left open. Notice the 20mg of dbol is with 50mg Anadrol? Letro is what I have.

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    Letro is not a good AI itll kill all your estrogen most people only run it if they are gyno prone or if they are getting gyno, aromasin or adex will keep your estro levels, letro will kill your joints, and please give us a layout of your proposed cycle IE
    Test e 500mg week 1-12
    Dbol 50mg weeks 1-5
    Letro 1.25mg daily

    Layout your cycle like that please

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    dbol or anadrol. pick one. why would you take both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinbro View Post
    34/5'10"/200/10%/forever/since 25 once or twice a year sometimes none

    First off, you need to run a test base throughout your entire cycle. I'm not sure how long you are wanting to run it, but if you are looking to run a short cycle, use Test prop. If you are looking at 12 weeks or more, I would run Test E or C.

    Also, there is no need to run Anadrol and D-bol simultaneously. Pick one, dose it right and run it up front for 4-6 weeks. The same goes for winny and anavar, but you can run it at the end of your cycle. Just make sure to have a decent break in btw your 17aa orals.

    Your cycle could look something like this:

    Wk1-12 Test E 500-750mg/wk (Dosage dependent on how much test you have used in the past)
    Wk1-8 Tren A 50mg ED
    Wk1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
    Wk9-13 Winny at 50mg ED or Anavar at 75-90mg ED
    Wk1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
    Wk1-13 HCG 250-500iu x2/wk

    PCT (Begins 10-14 days after last shot of test)

    Wk14-17 Clomid 100/100/75/50 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

    You may also want to have caber or parmi on hand in case of progestin issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMO View Post
    First off, you need to run a test base throughout your entire cycle. I'm not sure how long you are wanting to run it, but if you are looking to run a short cycle, use Test prop. If you are looking at 12 weeks or more, I would run Test E or C.

    Also, there is no need to run Anadrol and D-bol simultaneously. Pick one, dose it right and run it up front for 4-6 weeks. The same goes for winny and anavar, but you can run it at the end of your cycle. Just make sure to have a decent break in btw your 17aa orals.

    Your cycle could look something like this:

    Wk1-12 Test E 500-750mg/wk (Dosage dependent on how much test you have used in the past)
    Wk1-8 Tren A 50mg ED
    Wk1-4 Dbol 50mg ED
    Wk9-13 Winny at 50mg ED or Anavar at 75-90mg ED
    Wk1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
    Wk1-13 HCG 250-500iu x2/wk

    PCT (Begins 10-14 days after last shot of test)

    Wk14-17 Clomid 100/100/75/50 Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

    You may also want to have caber or parmi on hand in case of progestin issues.
    I like how this looks. 13 weeks of HCG though? I dont have Aromasin. I have JAS Letro so I can dose it real low 250-500mcg which I have been doing by itself because I have so much of it with no joint problems.

    I noticed some people like VictorZ06 like Adrol and Dbol together and makes sense to me because they are very similar so lower doses of each would mean less side effects of each.

    I also noticed in naps's cycles they do a 40/40 of winny and anavar in some.

    I'm thinking if I'm going to being Tren Ace and Winny ED why not just mix it with Test Suspension 100mg ED for my base. I'm leaning towards AP for everything.

    Wk1-12 Test Suspension 100mg ED
    Wk1-8 Tren A 50mg ED
    Wk1-4 Dbol 30mg ED Adrol 50mg ED
    Wk9-13 Winny at 50mg ED Inj and Anavar at 40mg ED
    Wk1-13 Letro 250-500mcg ED
    Wk1-13 HCG 250-500iu x2/wk? Wont that shut down LH?

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