Thread: First Cycle test-e/dbol

Get ur bf down and wait tell,your a couple years older, test e needs to be ran for 10 to 12 weeks to be worth it. Nolva is outdated for pct, and what were u planning on running for an AI ?

I have letro but I was only going to use it if I got signs of gyno.
I don't know my bf exactly, I will take a picture and someone can guess since I have no fat calibers.

Birthmark over left pec.

Bf isnt the biggest problem bro, your still to young wait a couple years your test levels are still very high naturally, running a cycle now and you could risk being on test for life

The thing is I think I natural low t. I was on some sort of lung steroid when I was younger that threw my hormones out of whack. I might get some blood work done before I try.

I will probably go on through with it, do you see problems with the stack? Anything I should add or tweak?

Yup test e will kick in at week 4 or 5 so running it 8 weeks is not long enough you need to run it 10 or 12 weeks, you may need to bump thr dbol to 50 mg depending on you, nolva is not good for pct, keep it in case you get gyno, letro is not a good AI get aromasin and then for pct you can use the aromasin and clomid for pct and keep more gains, letro will lower your estrogen to low most people who use it are gyno prone, I honestly think you need to do more research and get blood work first

And most people dont recommend running dbol on the first cycle you dont know how your body will react to the test so adding another compound is usally a bad idea if you have a bad reaction you wont know which compound is causing it

Yeah, I am researching. I haven't ordered anything yet, just setting up everything before I order and such. That is why I am here =)

Btw, I appreciate the help bro.

You are def too young to be cycling, and your BF% is too high as well. In addition, after looking at your photos, I can tell you have not been training very long. If you have, then your training and diet are WAY off.

My advice to you is to post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first. Frankly, without those two key components dialed-in, you will not get optimal results from a cycle of anabolics.

If you train hard with a good diet you will have to problem getting lean and bigger. aas should not be your first alternative to get in good shape.

Judging by your pics, you still have a lot to learn about diet and training. Get those two in check first, wait at least 2 more years, get your BF down, then run test only cycle.
Just my 0.02 cents.

Honestly, I think hes going to run it ready or not, thats pretty much what he said to me

First, as others said, you are too young and your diet and training obviously aren't squared away.

Second, I would not run a cycle if I was you, until you lost some substantial body fat. You are going to be at serious risk for gyno if you start a cycle at your current bodyfat level. Hell, it already looks like you have a slight case of gyno now, and you haven't even run anything yet. =/

I have had gyno. This is from steroids I had to take when I was young(underdeveloped lungs) and I assume they're nothing I can do for the gyno besides surgery. This being said most of my fat is along my chest and hips.

As for the training, I do have experience with it (2 years worth) and I've gained dramatically since I started. I tried a t3/clen cycle which make me lose alot of muscle but not alot of fat.

And finally, I didn't have a good diet for the a long time but it has been pretty clean for the last couple of months. Around 2.5k cals around ~200g protein. I know I have a long journey and that is why I came here for advice.

dude u gotta get ur bf down or ur not gonna like wat happens to u.. really really bad idea... do 2 rounds of p90x and you'll get better results than the cycle u outlined

If that's what you look like after 2 years of training, I think you need to get another program bro. Not trying to be a dick, but you have no definition anywhere. You should at least have a little tone or hardening of muscle somewhere. Honestly you need to get that in check otherwise your gonna look exactly the same except about 20lbs heavier and when you get discouraged from that and stop lifting alltogether your gonna keep growing fatter. I seen that happen way to many times everyone thinks AS is the wonder drug, and it is, but these guys on here bust their asses on and off a cycle to look like they do. Seriously get a good workout first and get the BF down like these guys on here are telling you.

Originally Posted by Supervette101

If that's what you look like after 2 years of training, I think you need to get another program bro. Not trying to be a dick, but you have no definition anywhere. You should at least have a little tone or hardening of muscle somewhere. Honestly you need to get that in check otherwise your gonna look exactly the same except about 20lbs heavier and when you get discouraged from that and stop lifting alltogether your gonna keep growing fatter. I seen that happen way to many times everyone thinks AS is the wonder drug, and it is, but these guys on here bust their asses on and off a cycle to look like they do. Seriously get a good workout first and get the BF down like these guys on here are telling you.

I agree with the statement above...I know im a newbie on this site, BTW( great forum.. tons of info and positive attitude) But going back unless you where obese( no offense) after two years and your age, you should have at least more muscle definition and lower body fat. Watch your diet, i cant stress enough how important is your diet. Your probably going to do a cycle anyways, but again you should definitely try and work out the natural way, until you reach your plateau,,and thats far off from now. AS is not a miracle drug at all. good luck...

The steroids you were on when you were younger were probably CORTICOsteroids, not ANABOLIC steroids. What you might have been on is Betamethasone or Dexamethasone (helps with lung surfactant production in infants).

Anyways, I would take the advice of others and focus on your diet and training. From your pictures, it looks like you are gyno prone already. The last thing you wan't is to have to go under the knife to get it removed.

Unless you have had LABS drawn and they do indicate that you have low levels of Test, then at your age, you should be producing enough endogenous hormones to attain what you want naturally.

Originally Posted by Kusakup

I have had gyno. This is from steroids I had to take when I was young(underdeveloped lungs) and I assume they're nothing I can do for the gyno besides surgery. This being said most of my fat is along my chest and hips.

As for the training, I do have experience with it (2 years worth) and I've gained dramatically since I started. I tried a t3/clen cycle which make me lose alot of muscle but not alot of fat.

And finally, I didn't have a good diet for the a long time but it has been pretty clean for the last couple of months. Around 2.5k cals around ~200g protein. I know I have a long journey and that is why I came here for advice.

hey i was in your situation a few days ago, i actually posted a question about it but after the advice from many of the experienced people on this site i decided not to. I did some more reading after being criticized and i realised maybe i should hold out for a while more. I'm 22 just like you...and my bf% is alot lower than yours. In addition...i've been training for over 6 years. I am a medical student and honestly, it is something very serious to get yourself into. I was gonna do it and i reconsidered so for your own sake....read a little more, think about the consequences of your actions, especially at your age (mine too) and bf%. Not to be an ass....but i know i'm in better shape than you are and i decided to train harder. Hope this helps

Looks like you have gyno now perhaps...

Are you flexing?

Pointing out that birthmark, you might as well just show your face.

I understand your desire to thin up and gain muscle, but you need get your Diet in order, and If I were in your shoes I'd be at the gym 7-14 times a WEEK workingout and doing ellipticals...

I'd also contact member BUILT here and ask her what I should do for my diet.

Stick with it kid... prove everyone wrong and shape that clay up.

Once a few months go by the progress will become addicting.

Thanks for all the advice. I probably will have it order just because idk when I get some in again but won't take them til I get in better shape.

What bf should I goto before I even consider it?