Thread: lookin like my next cycle

im confused :/ 1 week of clomid for pct? or was that a mistake

Originally Posted by ROID RANGER

1-12 test e 500mg pinned 2x a week 250mg at a time
1-12 primo 400mg pinned 2x a week 250mg
1-5 tbol 40mg ED

hcg ran throughout cycle at 500 iu 2x a week
13-14 1000iu eod
15 100/100/50/50 clomid
also taking .25 mg letro eod during pct and ed on cyce

stats are 23 6/3 220lbs 14% bf gonna get down to 11 or 12 before i start this cycle though.

Looks pretty good to me, though I would ditch the Letro for aromasin at 12.5mg eod. And run aromasin alongside your clomid for PCT at 25/25/12.5/12.5. I wouldn't use Letro during PCT, as it is well known for estrogen rebound.

And i am assuming that the 250x2 per week on the primo was a typo...that would be 500mg, not 400mg. If you can afford it, I would run the primo at 600mg/wk. That is when it really starts to get good for me. But if this is your first time with it...400mg will yield good results.

Isn't that pretty low on the tbol?

That's the bare minimum I'd run on the Tbol. 50-60mg would be more ideal but you can get away with 40mg.

Originally Posted by ROID RANGER

1-12 test e 500mg pinned 2x a week 250mg at a time
1-12 primo 400mg pinned 2x a week 250mg
1-5 tbol 40mg ED

hcg ran throughout cycle at 500 iu 2x a week
13-14 1000iu eod
15 100/100/50/50 clomid
also taking .25 mg letro eod during pct and ed on cyce

stats are 23 6/3 220lbs 14% bf gonna get down to 11 or 12 before i start this cycle though.

What are your goals? The primo dose is low for either a bulk or a cut. I would use something else if bulking. Like GMO said the letro isn't the best option for this case. Also no need for it with the primo as it doesn't convert to estrogen.

Use the HCG during the cycle.

If this is your first cycle I would drop the primo and just stick with the oral and the test. Primo is best for cutting.

Estrogen rebound is fucking horrible. For God's sake don't run letro. You'll feel like a clingy, whiny, crying bitch for two weeks after you stop taking it.

goals are to cut up and yes i meant 200mg 2x a week of primo and im thinking uv bumping the tbol to 50mg ok ill use aromasin and this isnt my first cycle

If you're looking to cut and want to use test enth at just 500mg/week, then I don't see the reason for using clomid, hcg and letro on cycle like that. With just the test enth, primo and tbol alone, you can get away with cutting for that length and not need an anti-e except maybe nolva and/or proviron on occasion. Clomid is gonna make you sappy and do you really need your nuts swinging low on cycle with that and all the HCG? (Unless you're a porn star and everyone stares at them all day.) I'd save the HCG, clomid and letro for after - even then I don't think you'll need all 3 for PCT anyways. During cycle, it's best to stick with basics like nolva or proviron to keep gyno sides away - either of them or both together will help with keeping the lean look and getting rid of any bloat. The rest can wait till after the cycle. But since this isn't your first cycle, just that dose of 500mg/week of test enth alone shouldn't warrant a problem except with maybe a slight bit of water retention where nolva and/or proviron will take care of. You'll also find you won't need them the entire cycle, maybe not even till after 6-8 weeks anyway.

Also - if your workouts are intense, 40mg of Tbol is fine - the difference between 40-50mg of Tbol is miniscule if you beat your body up enough. If looking for good recovery, strength gains even during a cutting cycle, and overall better repair of the tissue while dieting - I'd go with 50-100mg of var each day over Tbol. But this is your cycle and hope you accomplish your goals. Tbol is a good compound and good choice for cutting cycles.

As far as all the anti-e's during the cycle, there's really no need to kill off all estrogen in your body. Especially when dieting, you need a tiny amount to help with your immune system so you don't get sick. Just try to keep it simple with your gear choice and let your diet and training do all the work - make sure you get plenty of rest and you should be fine if everything else is in check.

Your primo dose should be 500mg EW minimum if cutting.

im thinking of taking tbol at 50 mg daily on the last 6 weeks of my prop cycle (12 weeks)
100 eod prop
tbol 50mg ed

Originally Posted by flipswitch

If you're looking to cut and want to use test enth at just 500mg/week, then I don't see the reason for using clomid, hcg and letro on cycle like that. With just the test enth, primo and tbol alone, you can get away with cutting for that length and not need an anti-e except maybe nolva and/or proviron on occasion. Clomid is gonna make you sappy and do you really need your nuts swinging low on cycle with that and all the HCG? (Unless you're a porn star and everyone stares at them all day.) I'd save the HCG, clomid and letro for after - even then I don't think you'll need all 3 for PCT anyways. During cycle, it's best to stick with basics like nolva or proviron to keep gyno sides away - either of them or both together will help with keeping the lean look and getting rid of any bloat. The rest can wait till after the cycle. But since this isn't your first cycle, just that dose of 500mg/week of test enth alone shouldn't warrant a problem except with maybe a slight bit of water retention where nolva and/or proviron will take care of. You'll also find you won't need them the entire cycle, maybe not even till after 6-8 weeks anyway.

Also - if your workouts are intense, 40mg of Tbol is fine - the difference between 40-50mg of Tbol is miniscule if you beat your body up enough. If looking for good recovery, strength gains even during a cutting cycle, and overall better repair of the tissue while dieting - I'd go with 50-100mg of var each day over Tbol. But this is your cycle and hope you accomplish your goals. Tbol is a good compound and good choice for cutting cycles.

As far as all the anti-e's during the cycle, there's really no need to kill off all estrogen in your body. Especially when dieting, you need a tiny amount to help with your immune system so you don't get sick. Just try to keep it simple with your gear choice and let your diet and training do all the work - make sure you get plenty of rest and you should be fine if everything else is in check.

Can you explain some of your thoughts here because if I'm reading this correctly this is some terrible advice.