Thread: Why take nolvadex????

i dont disagree with you but what kind of PCT do you run?

i'll be using clomid and aromasin for mine.

clomid and aromasin fo sho!

Originally Posted by alphabolic

i dont disagree with you but what kind of PCT do you run?

i'll be using clomid and aromasin for mine.

i run nathan chase pct.

unleashed/post cycle combo
hcgenerate
forma stanzol

this is all you need and cover everything

Well since Nolvadex is a brand name that I don't use, I LOVE Tamoxifen.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Well since Nolvadex is a brand name that I don't use, I LOVE Tamoxifen.

if it works for you then go for it. but nolvadex tamoxifen same thing all it does is remove gyno. it does nothing to restore your hpta

So what you're saying is that Nolva is not necessary for pct? j/k - yes that was a smart ass comment. I only have Clomid for pct - when I actually decide to come off. I may just cruise instead. Arimidex and Proviron for on-cycle. Proviron 50mg ED and Adex at 0.5mg E3D.

nolva is the old school recovery drug....times change. Nolva also fukks with your igf and hgh lvls which is not ideal for recovery.

I also noticed above that guys are running aromasin and clomid for pct....wtf? clomid acts as a mild AI....there is no reason to take aromasin in pct.....jmo.

Clomid for pct seems pretty standard these days. Nolva has mainly been demoted as an emergency intervention at onset of gyno during cycle.

^^^ correct....but only estrogen gyno....not prolactin or progesterone gyno.

Originally Posted by pyes

^^^ correct....but only estrogen gyno....not prolactin or progesterone gyno.

Very true.

Here's what a good PCT should look like after cycle...
Cycle weeks 1-10 (pretend there's no long esters involved and PCT can begin imed.)
HCG weeks 4-14
Clomid weeks 11-14
Proviron weeks 1-14
Nolva (on hand) in case boobies become luscious and plump
Adex (on hand) just because I come prepared
That's just basic I'm not going to get into dosages and all that good stuff because most people have different preferences in that department.

I think that is a bit off personally trenMaster.
HCG should be ran maybe 2 weeks into pct maximum (this is purely my opinion).
If no long esters are being used (prop) you can get away with a 3 week clomid pct. Proviron...not needed and is making things complicated. you nolva and adex protocal is reversed..
nolva...is emergency gyno attack....arimidex or aromasin is the maintenance ai.

There seems to be a lot of confusion on when to start a pct and how long should the pct be.....here is a quick guide (compiled by myself) for those in nedd:

STEROID...............time after last shot............time to run clomid
Anadrol50/Anapolan50:..........8 - 12 hours.................... 3 weeks
Deca durabolan: ..................3 weeks.......................... 4 weeks
Dianabol:............................4 - 8 hours...................... 3 weeks
Equipoise:...........................17 - 21 days.................... 3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone:................3 days.......................... 3 weeks
Primabolan depot:.................10 - 14 days................... 2 weeks
Sustanon:.............................12 days........................ 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate:........ 18 days......................... 3 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron:..2 weeks ................3 weeks
Testosterone Propionate:........3 days........................... 3 weeks
Testosterone Suspension:........4 - 8 hours.................. 2-3 weeks
Winstrol:...............................8 - 12 hours................ 2-3 weeks

Ive used nolva for many pcts, and well as clomid for pcts and either one worked just as well for me. Clomid always gets me all emotional I don't really like it, but just putting my 2 cents in both have worked perfectly fine for me.

Originally Posted by pyes

I think that is a bit off personally trenMaster.
HCG should be ran maybe 2 weeks into pct maximum (this is purely my opinion).
If no long esters are being used (prop) you can get away with a 3 week clomid pct. Proviron...not needed and is making things complicated. you nolva and adex protocal is reversed..
nolva...is emergency gyno attack....arimidex or aromasin is the maintenance ai.

For sure, I didn't mean it to sound like that with the Nolva and Adex. I always use Adex as my maintenance AI and only have Nolva on hand in case my boobies begin to plump up and get juicy. As far as the HCG goes, thank you for the information as this cycle will be my first go 'round using HCG so I wasn't really to sure on the protocol for that but I will more than likely take your advice and not use it more than 1 or 2 weeks into PCT. I always run Proviron though, me personally I've read studies on Proviron claiming to have zero suppression on the funtion of the HPTA system in humans so I like to use it because 1-it helps maintain sex drive during PCT and 2-it helps maintain gains and muscle hardness throughout PCT. I could be wrong and I could have read the studies wrong but until someone proves to me a negative affect of using this drug during PCT I will continue to do so because it produces positive results atleast in my personal experience. Here's the links.

The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum... [Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988] - PubMed result

Testosterone levels and gonadotrophins in Klinefel... [Arch Dermatol Res. 1977] - PubMed result

Originally Posted by pyes

nolva is the old school recovery drug....times change. Nolva also fukks with your igf and hgh lvls which is not ideal for recovery.

I also noticed above that guys are running aromasin and clomid for pct....wtf? clomid acts as a mild AI....there is no reason to take aromasin in pct.....jmo.

thank you. finally some one with common sense

I know heavy wrote an article on taking aromasin with pct...i have not read it yet so forgive me if i am missing something there.

Originally Posted by pyes

^^^ correct....but only estrogen gyno....not prolactin or progesterone gyno.

Yes indeed, I should've spelled that out. Thanks.

Originally Posted by pyes

I also noticed above that guys are running aromasin and clomid for pct....wtf? clomid acts as a mild AI....there is no reason to take aromasin in pct.....jmo.

really wanna see TGB's response to this

Originally Posted by pyes

nolva is the old school recovery drug....times change. Nolva also fukks with your igf and hgh lvls which is not ideal for recovery.

I also noticed above that guys are running aromasin and clomid for pct....wtf? clomid acts as a mild AI....there is no reason to take aromasin in pct.....jmo.

Because clomid only blocks estrogen from binding to its receptor. This leaves a lot of estrogen circulating in your blood stream. The Aromasin is used to dispose of this excess estrogen and prevent any rebounding effect. Also, immediately after you discontinue test, your estro:test ratio is way off and can lead to many issues such as gyno, lethargy, fat deposits, etc. Aromasin is used to eliminate this risk...

all i am really hearing here is more reasons to take more shit that you may not even need in the first place.....lol I have never ever used any ai in pct, I am gyno prone, and I have never ever had a rebound in or after pct. I also have never ever used hcg....my cycles are basic and they work. (this may just be an individual case). but i never needed any of that stuff. Half of you guys are not even as big as me and you are using twice the doses and twice the compunds that i do. And dont bring genetics into this...i am not ronnie coleman.....lol i am only 211lb @ 9 or 10 % bf currently.

Originally Posted by pyes

all i am really hearing here is more reasons to take more shit that you may not even need in the first place.....lol I have never ever used any ai in pct, I am gyno prone, and I have never ever had a rebound in or after pct. I also have never ever used hcg....my cycles are basic and they work. (this may just be an individual case). but i never needed any of that stuff. Half of you guys are not even as big as me and you are using twice the doses and twice the compunds that i do. And dont bring genetics into this...i am not ronnie coleman.....lol i am only 211lb @ 9 or 10 % bf currently.

Everybody responds in different ways, bro. I can't tell you how many people that have posted on this very board about getting gyno right after PCT. It happens...maybe not to you, but trust me it happens.

GMO...i understand what your saying...but i would much rather want to know if i even am prone to rebounding...i would much rather not use aromasin during pct...and if i do get rebounding....then i would counter it....and know to use it the next time around (rather then pump tons of drugs into my body)...jmo...i respect you opinion though..you have a ''better safe then sorry'' approach...i have a ''lets see what effects me individually'' approach. (^_^)

Originally Posted by GMO

Everybody responds in different ways, bro. I can't tell you how many people that have posted on this very board about getting gyno right after PCT. It happens...maybe not to you, but trust me it happens.

And I can attest to about 100 of them! haha.

agreed that everyone is different, I like the old school clomid and pct, I want to give torem try, but I have kept the clomid and nolva because it has worked for me.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Well since Nolvadex is a brand name that I don't use, I LOVE Tamoxifen.

That is the same thing as nolvadex fyi

Originally Posted by vannesb

That is the same thing as nolvadex fyi

It's a little thing called sarcasm, bro. Lol.

Originally Posted by pyes

nolva is the old school recovery drug....times change. Nolva also fukks with your igf and hgh lvls which is not ideal for recovery.

I also noticed above that guys are running aromasin and clomid for pct....wtf? clomid acts as a mild AI....there is no reason to take aromasin in pct.....jmo.

Cons: Heptatoxicity. Studies have shown it to lower IGF levels (I don't feel like citing, but it's about 20% decrease...IMO no biggie).