Thread: Zero Test Cyles...

Have many tried cycles with no test......and using lots of androgens instead?

This is taken from another board...Discuss.

"Spoke to my friend again today and he has upped the GH dose to 25. He is splitting the dose and was doing 5x3 and 5X5. He said that numbness subsides in about a week from giong this high. He FINALLY took my advice and dropped the test a while back. I have never liked test personally and I know that there are a lot of guys on here who love it and that it great. I think it causes to much water retention, blood pressure issues, breathing problems and an overall bloated look. I also think that these issues and others are dose dependent, meaining that higher you go the more likely sides are to occur.

I have always told my guys to listen to their body and not to be afraid to try something different. Too many guys think that you have to have test in your cycle to make gains, somehow it must be a base even if it's just a couple hundred mgs and this is not true when trying to gain muscle. In fact I know plenty of people who never used test years ago and never had any sexual problems at all. I actually know guys who constantly had to increase their test dose so they could keep getting an erection and they eventually had to come off and kind of reset. This is not the norm, but like I said I've seen it. I'm in no way trying to talk anyone out of using test. To each his own, this is mearly another way of doing things and for some a much better plan that brings about some very nice lean solid looking gains, no bloat, no distented gut and no need to eat a ton of food although when throwing the GH in you are able to eat way more.

If have said for years that I think that GH is an expensive fat buring and I still think this, but I will say that at a certain dosage things start to happen as far as growth and metabolism. This dose seems to be around 12 to 15 iu's daily and will shoot a guy into another realm of growth when combined with anabolics. I also want to add real quick here that I do not advocate insulin and never really have. Just my opnion as I prefer the 80's and early 90's look with the tight waist and hard striated look.

This is an example of the cycle that my friend has done. PLEASE use common sense and adjust the dosages to fit your level of progress.

Primo 600 mgs weekly
deca 1250 mgs weekly
Parabolan 500 mgs weekly
GH 15 iu's daily taking off weekends at times"

Opinions?