Thread: First cycle!!

run aromasin all through out your cycle...

how long have you been doing compound lifts and eating right? get that down first. gain as much as you can, lean. then, run a test only cycle with nolva pct.

what dosage would you consider? from your expertise, would should i expect from this cycle?? thanks for help!!

diet consists of high protein foods.

baked or grilled chicken, tuna, fish, whole wheats..things of that nature. low to no fat as well as carbs. i like to try to get close to 300 g of protein a day

i would say a solid 7 years of lifting

i'd run aromasin 12.5mg ED or EOD

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

I'll be starting my first cycle ever of test e and dbol. Im 23, been an athlete for about 10 years. I'm about 5'10 200 at the moment. Im not sure of my measurements or bf%. Being a newbie, i've done tons of reading for last past 2 weeks on multiple forums. I've heard a lot of good things about these products. My main goal is to put on about 20+ solid pounds. Is this a good start combo and appropriate dosages? Should i tweak it any?? Would love advice from you experts! Thanks!

week 1-10 test e 500mg/wk
week 1-4 dbol 50 mg/ed
pct nolva 40402020

No need for dbol, test only! dbol will not give solid gains

run aromasin at 12.5mgs ed/eod throughout

nolva is not necessary, clomid is preferred.

revised cycle

week 1-10 test e 500mg/wk
week 1-10 aromasin 12.5mg ed/eod
week 11-14 aromasin 25mg ed
week 15-16 aromasin 12.5mg ed
weeks 13-16 clomid 100/75/50/50mg ed

ya use aromasin at 12.5 ed..
personally i would say use clomid for your pct..but nolva would work fine to..

Originally Posted by trapzilla

No need for dbol, test only! dbol will not give solid gains

run aromasin at 12.5mgs ed/eod throughout

nolva is not necessary, clomid is preferred.

revised cycle

week 1-10 test e 500mg/wk
week 1-10 aromasin 12.5mg ed/eod
week 11-14 aromasin 25mg ed
week 15-16 aromasin 12.5mg ed
weeks 13-16 clomid 100/75/50/50mg ed

^^^This is a Good layout, And there are many reasons why we say test only.

But in all honesty, I believe a nice bread and butter as your first cycle will be just fine, You only get one first cycle, might as well enjoy all the benefits.

Here is my revised cycle for you,

Week 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg/Ed
Week 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Weeks 12-16 Clomid 100/75/50/50mg ed

I have looked into aromasin and it can get pretty pricey lol. i may have to wait to start my cycle then being that you do suggest aromasin. if by chance i cant afford it, are there any other replacements that i could use? thanks for your help and the revised cycle looks good.

with this suggestion i see you include dbol. i see trap's post does not include the dbol. from my research, the dbol would kickstart the bulking. would you agree?? if aromasin is not afforadable, are there other alternatives?

all Ai's a pretty much the same price off some of the board sponsors.

it is best to use them, i've been told of a guy who didn't use an Ai on cycle got gyno which developed into breast cancer and he died as a result of it. He was in his late 20's and that could have been avoided judt by taking an AI.

So as far as i'm concerned its not worth the risk.

with regards to the dbol, I personally would use it if it was my first cycle but it is standard practice to run test only. It is just done so that you know which compound is causing which sides.

If you do want to run an oral i'd use tbol its is milder and the gains are harder and it makes me eat like a horse particulalrly at high dosages

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

with this suggestion i see you include dbol. i see trap's post does not include the dbol. from my research, the dbol would kickstart the bulking. would you agree?? if aromasin is not afforadable, are there other alternatives?

The reason Trap Doesn't include Dbol, Because in all retrospect you should really run ONLY test as your first cycle, so you can gauge how you react to test. then on your second add the dbol so you can see what works well for you and what doesn't, and what creates sides for you and what doesn't.

I Believe this theory I do. But I think dbol is butter on toast, test and Dbol is a great beginner cycle if you ask me.

As for the kick start, its not needed to get great gains, but it does silence the lul you get from taking a test only cycle becasue test wont start to work until week 5 or so, so at least the first 4 weeks you will see some immediate gains.

On the Aromasin, That is a must bro, You will thank us later, Run it all the time! or Some AI at that

when you say the board sponsors, where do i find those? like i said, i will do everything i can so i can purchase the product (as far as the money). would any AI be ok? i appreciate the help!

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

when you say the board sponsors, where do i find those? like i said, i will do everything i can so i can purchase the product (as far as the money). would any AI be ok? i appreciate the help!

I have only ever used Naps and have used their products with good results.

you can get away with arimidex on cycle at .5mg ed but you must have aromasin for pct but the cost is the same so just get aromasin.

i understand fully. that does make a lot of since. i was unsure at first how i should start, so thats why i've done so much reading over the past few weeks. i had saw where there were a lot of first time test e/dbol cycles that ended really good, so i figured i would start there. is it good to take dbol any longer than the 4 weeks? my goal is 20+ lbs. would you consider realistic or just insane lol? thanks a lot bro!

this is the route that i plan on taking then. i wont even start my cycle until i can get this to run throughout my cycle. Thanks for your input!

another thing, should i run some milk thistle or will it not be needed?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

^^^This is a Good layout, And there are many reasons why we say test only.

But in all honesty, I believe a nice bread and butter as your first cycle will be just fine, You only get one first cycle, might as well enjoy all the benefits.

Here is my revised cycle for you,

Week 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg/Ed
Week 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Weeks 12-16 Clomid 100/75/50/50mg ed

Do this^^^^^


Good advice here.

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

^^^This is a Good layout, And there are many reasons why we say test only.

But in all honesty, I believe a nice bread and butter as your first cycle will be just fine, You only get one first cycle, might as well enjoy all the benefits.

Here is my revised cycle for you,

Week 1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg/Ed
Week 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Weeks 12-16 Clomid 100/75/50/50mg ed

First cycle at 23, not really advised. But if you are gonna do it, run the above but drop the dbol. If it's a first cycle, one compound is plenty. With 2, if you develop sides you won't know which is the culprit. Take the above, drop the dbol out and try it, but only if your diet is 100% in check. Me, I'd wait a couple more years.

honestly im a little nervous being my first cycle lol, but i think im ready for it. would you say drop the dbol to about 25-30 mg? would it be smart or insane to run dbol weeks 1-8? thanks for the advice!

thanks!

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

honestly im a little nervous being my first cycle lol, but i think im ready for it. would you say drop the dbol to about 25-30 mg? would it be smart or insane to run dbol weeks 1-8? thanks for the advice!

Drop the dbol completely in a first cycle. You really don't need it yet, if at all. And thinking you're ready may not be enough. You can always wait, but it's up to you.

You should also run HCG at 500-1000iu a week up until PCT begins, to keep your balls from shrinking. It will help you with your recovery in PCT as well.

you really do have me contemplating now, seriously. what time of gains should one expect from a test e only cycle? i really want 20 but at least 15 lbs of solid gains...with very hard work of course!

i wasn't aware of this. thanks. i will have to get this product then. whats hcg stand for? ..i know thats probably a stupid question

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

you really do have me contemplating now, seriously. what time of gains should one expect from a test e only cycle? i really want 20 but at least 15 lbs of solid gains...with very hard work of course!

Diet, not drugs dictate gains. If you eat right, get your rest, train intensely, 20 pounds on a first cycle is realistic.

Post your daily diet, let's see what you are eating.

Originally Posted by Xx3hoodrich3xX

you really do have me contemplating now, seriously. what time of gains should one expect from a test e only cycle? i really want 20 but at least 15 lbs of solid gains...with very hard work of course!

It's not a magic pill dude. A certain amount of test doesn't = X # of lbs in all people.

It depends on how you workout, how you eat, and other factors like your genetics.