Thread: This may well be my first cycle

and also can someone pm me to get real aromasin at would be greatly appreciated

First Cycle and PCT

yes ive read that before but im looking for input on the cycle i mentioned. anyone have any views on my cycle??

Your EQ is off, read up on how long it needs to be ran. That's way too much test for your first cycle, the more you use now the more you'll have to use later. Since your new to AAS, a simple 500mg will do wonders with the correct diet/training.

Your not getting responses because your not being smart about it. FYI.

EQ needs to be ran at no less than 500mg for at least 14-16 weeks. I ran mine at 625mg for 22 weeks. Forget 300mg for 4 weeks. It'll be a waste. Stick to a regular test cycle with your Dbol kicker. HCG is not required. Many guys recover 100% after pct. If you want to run hcg then go right ahead.

Still trying to figure out how you calculated 300mg EQ for 3-4 weeks???

as the members said stick to basic test cycles for first time see how your body reacts instead of throwin EQ in the mix with it, i just finished up 12 weeks test e cycle 500mg/wk with cracking results, so do some more study

Originally Posted by Phetamine

First Cycle and PCT

This information is here for a reason, please consider it.

I could list about your cycle you have listed but it would take way too long. Do NOT try to complicate it.

Originally Posted by manickanuck

week 1-4 50 mg anabol e.d.
week 1 -3 500 mg test C/week
week 1- 3 200 mg test P every third day
week 4-10 750 mg test c/week
week 7-10 300 mg eq/week

week 2 -12 1mg arimadex eod
week 12-15 clomid 100/75/75/50
nolvadex will be on hand throughout


should i use hcg for this. all info is appreciated as always
5''9 185 16 percent body fat 30 years old im looking to do this in 2 months or so since canada post may be on strike, so my bodyfat should be slightly lower if all goes well.

i have done a bit of test and dbols before, my body responded very well to both of them i shot up 10lbs in bodyweight the first two weeks this being when i was in my early twenties, havent done any since.

This entire cycle is fucked. You need to do more research on your proposed cycle. Test E or C for 12 weeks 500 mgs a week...
You will need
HCG
and AI... aromasin preferred
PCT... Clomid Preferred.

Dont change your doses mid cycle.... what idiot suggested that?

Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. Firestone was used as the first tire on the first T-Bird. Unless your the Doc and McFly, your not going to be able to change it.

ok thanks everyone really appreciate the honesty, i'll go ahead with 12 weeks of 500mg test/week with dbols for the first 4 weeks.

Contrary to what someone said - you do NOT NEED hcg. With proper pct I have always recovered. I don't care if my balls shrink up some - they're big enough anyway and getting in the way half the time plus I'm married so it doesn't matter. It didn't matter before I was married either. Balls will return to normal size. However, if you want to use hcg, then go right ahead. However, it is wrong to believe that you NEED it.

Originally Posted by justhav2p

This entire cycle is fucked. You need to do more research on your proposed cycle. Test E or C for 12 weeks 500 mgs a week...
You will need
HCG
and AI... aromasin preferred
PCT... Clomid Preferred.

Dont change your doses mid cycle.... what idiot suggested that?

Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. Firestone was used as the first tire on the first T-Bird. Unless your the Doc and McFly, your not going to be able to change it.

Dude, that's just a bit harsh don't you think? Hard to believe you've never made a questionable decision in your life?

Originally Posted by BigBird

Contrary to what someone said - you do NOT NEED hcg. With proper pct I have always recovered. I don't care if my balls shrink up some - they're big enough anyway and getting in the way half the time plus I'm married so it doesn't matter. It didn't matter before I was married either. Balls will return to normal size. However, if you want to use hcg, then go right ahead. However, it is wrong to believe that you NEED it.

No you don't need it, but it makes things a lot easier when trying to recover, and if you're running a PCT you're trying to retain gains, correct? Why make it more difficult than it needs to be? Plus the stuff is dirt cheap. Bottom line is if you're going to run a PCT, HCG will help you recover faster.

Originally Posted by CT

No you don't need it, but it makes things a lot easier when trying to recover, and if you're running a PCT you're trying to retain gains, correct? Why make it more difficult than it needs to be? Plus the stuff is dirt cheap. Bottom line is if you're going to run a PCT, HCG will help you recover faster.

Understood CT - I just don't like when somebody advocates that it MUST be ran or you'll be effed, etc. Could it and does it help? Yes and probably but pct has always worked well in and of itself for me. Question: I've seen people advocate using hcg throughout cycle but not during pct and others who advocate throughout cycle including throughout pct.

Which should it be? Or is there no "right" answer?

Originally Posted by BigBird

Understood CT - I just don't like when somebody advocates that it MUST be ran or you'll be effed, etc. Could it and does it help? Yes and probably but pct has always worked well in and of itself for me. Question: I've seen people advocate using hcg throughout cycle but not during pct and others who advocate throughout cycle including throughout pct.

Which should it be? Or is there no "right" answer?

The idea is that if you run it during cycle you can start the clomid sooner. Running it during cycle helps keep amounts of LH and FSH circulating in the body so there isn't TOTAL shutdown. Once you start the clomid you're starting from a set point that is further along (in recovery terms) than using it at the end of the cycle.

-OR-

You can just use it at the end of a cycle in higher doses to help jump start the process.

It just makes better sense to use it during. Even a combination of both can be used.

Either way has been accepted by most but like you said you don't HAVE to have it, but seeing that there are a lot of first time users, safety is always a priority. That being said I would promote it to a person who uses PCT. That's just me, but if what you're doing works for you then who am I to tell you what to do?