Thread: My mate!

That's a lot of dbol.

I think dorian yates upposedly used about 150mg dbol a day, but he was MR O.
if your friend is gonna go out binge drinking then as far as i'm concerned he has no right to be using AAS. end of story.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

If your friend is gonna go out binge drinking then as far as i'm concerned he has no right to be using AAS. end of story.

Well to be fair to him he's a big bastard and about 12% bf that takes his training very seriously.

Binge drinking is his downfall. As long as that much Dbol isn't goin to seriously hurt him, that's all I was worried about.

Originally Posted by Brawla

Well to be fair to him he's a big bastard and about 12% bf that takes his training very seriously.

Binge drinking is his downfall. As long as that much Dbol isn't goin to seriously hurt him, that's all I was worried about.

he might well do but still, its two polar opposite lifestyles! that do not at any level work well together. If he truely took his training seriously he wouldn't binge drink, full stop. if he's big now he could be so much better, bigger and leaner without the drinking. all he is doing is making it harder for himself and his health.

but 100mg dbol is a lot by anyones standards and without liver support is asking for trouble. if it was me i'd be on about 8-10 liversupport a day with milk thistle on hand in case that wasn't enough.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

he might well do but still, its two polar opposite lifestyles! that do not at any level work well together. If he truely took his training seriously he wouldn't binge drink, full stop. if he's big now he could be so much better, bigger and leaner without the drinking. all he is doing is making it harder for himself and his health.

but 100mg dbol is a lot by anyones standards and without liver support is asking for trouble. if it was me i'd be on about 8-10 liversupport a day with milk thistle on hand in case that wasn't enough.

I agree, but it's his life.

What do you think of UDCA Trapz? I've heard very good reports.

Also, what sort of liver support do you use, is there something readily available in the UK?

Originally Posted by Brawla

I agree, but it's his life.

What do you think of UDCA Trapz? I've heard very good reports.

Also, what sort of liver support do you use, is there something readily available in the UK?

I've never heard of UDCA.

I live in the UK. I use milk thistle at around 1000mgs a day but only if i can't get Liv52. I use Liv52 at between 6 and 10 tabs a day depending on my dosages. many internet supplement shops sell it.

Sorry to hijack this thread, but I gotta burst in here about the "hope he's got liver support" did any of you read the thread about the fact that there is no real proof about AAS and liver damage over short term use? Now 100mg is a huge dose, I'm not saying its not. But dam it seems everyone on here will just use anything anyone says will help to counter act one drug or another. Have any of you actually looked at all the shit you put in your bodies on a cycle? Back when I started 20 yrs ago we didn't know about half this stuff. Sure its come a long way over the years and some of the stuff actually helps.... BUT MOST OF THIS IS BROSCIENCE.... I know guys that took tons of gear back then and they are fine today. I'm glad there is all this new stuff to help people along on a cycle, my point is, is all of it necessary? Oh by the way, the new fad is "Holy water" 1 glass a day and it clears everything.....

Originally Posted by Supervette101

Sorry to hijack this thread, but I gotta burst in here about the "hope he's got liver support" did any of you read the thread about the fact that there is no real proof about AAS and liver damage over short term use? Now 100mg is a huge dose, I'm not saying its not. But dam it seems everyone on here will just use anything anyone says will help to counter act one drug or another. Have any of you actually looked at all the shit you put in your bodies on a cycle? Back when I started 20 yrs ago we didn't know about half this stuff. Sure its come a long way over the years and some of the stuff actually helps.... BUT MOST OF THIS IS BROSCIENCE.... I know guys that took tons of gear back then and they are fine today. I'm glad there is all this new stuff to help people along on a cycle, my point is, is all of it necessary? Oh by the way, the new fad is "Holy water" 1 glass a day and it clears everything.....

You wanna here why i fucking take liversupport Supervette? its not bro science, its not due to a fad its due to me spending 3 days lying in bed vomiting blood, with the room spinning and my eyes yellowing at the corners! this was from taking 150mg anadrol a day, a high dose but not that crazy a dose, when i started taking liv 52 and milk thistle at the doses is stated the negative effects disapated, within a week whilst still taking the anadrol for 4 days.

Maybe when you've experienced a bit of liver shutdown you'll understand why the fuck we say to use liver support!

K Brah???

Since when is liv52 broscience? Lol

Between your friend's binge drinking and his use of aas, he sounds like a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't care how "fit" he is.

Hey TRAP take a chill pill ok. I think your missing the point. I never claimed liv52 was Broscience, I said most of this is Broscience. First off every part of AAS is bad since its not part or your body make up to begin with. My point is people are using drugs whether they really need them or not. It's the better to be safe attitude. Really? Who says these other things are really safe? Do you know the long term affects any of these drugs will have on your body. I'm just playing devils advocate here and pointing out sometimes what works for one person is not always the answer for another. Case in point someone posts about gyno, well its like dogma everyone chants off the same thing. And maybe it works, but how many that spout it off actually have had gyno and used exactaly what they are touting as "fact" and it worked for them? And how many are just repeating what everyone else has said? Its great that there is a place like this where people can come and ask questions and get help.

Trap, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you I'm only saying a lot of advise is given here by a lot of "newbes" as well as many experienced users. I just worry about the "newbe's" passing on hearsay advice without actually trying or experiencing much of what they tout.

Brawla, your liver is going to fail you if you drink excessively while popping Dbombs!

And I'm telling your "friend" that you're on steroids!

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Brawla, your liver is going to fail you if you drink excessively while popping Dbombs!

And I'm telling your "friend" that you're on steroids!

Lol. I haven't even done my first cycle yet, and when I do it will be Test E only at 500mg for 12 weeks.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

I've never heard of UDCA.

I've read a quite a few things on UDCA (Ursodeoxycholic Acid), and from what I've read it's more effective than Liv52 and FAR more effective than Milk Thistle.

Will try and find some links to studies on it.

Actually made a whole new thread about it - UDCA For Liver Care

Originally Posted by Brawla

Lol. I haven't even done my first cycle yet, and when I do it will be Test E only at 500mg for 6 weeks.

Terrible idea my friend. I like the fact that you will run a moderate dose of 500mg of just Test for your first cycle (props given), but 6 weeks is not long enough for a long ester like Enanthate. 12 weeks would be ideal for your first cycle since the gear might not start to really kick in until the 6th week!

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Terrible idea my friend. I like the fact that you will run a moderate dose of 500mg of just Test for your first cycle (props given), but 6 weeks is not long enough for a long ester like Enanthate. 12 weeks would be ideal for your first cycle since the gear might not start to really kick in until the 6th week!

+1

6 weeks with such a long ester won't do much. Aim for 12-14 weeks, IMHO.


/V

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

Terrible idea my friend. I like the fact that you will run a moderate dose of 500mg of just Test for your first cycle (props given), but 6 weeks is not long enough for a long ester like Enanthate. 12 weeks would be ideal for your first cycle since the gear might not start to really kick in until the 6th week!

Lol was meant to be 12 weeks! Edited .

Was because I read D-bol.

Originally Posted by Brawla

Lol was meant to be 12 weeks! Edited .

Was because I read D-bol.

Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE

In your post I quoted when I made the post on my first cycle?

Originally Posted by Supervette101

Hey TRAP take a chill pill ok. I think your missing the point. I never claimed liv52 was Broscience, I said most of this is Broscience. First off every part of AAS is bad since its not part or your body make up to begin with. My point is people are using drugs whether they really need them or not. It's the better to be safe attitude. Really? Who says these other things are really safe? Do you know the long term affects any of these drugs will have on your body. I'm just playing devils advocate here and pointing out sometimes what works for one person is not always the answer for another. Case in point someone posts about gyno, well its like dogma everyone chants off the same thing. And maybe it works, but how many that spout it off actually have had gyno and used exactaly what they are touting as "fact" and it worked for them? And how many are just repeating what everyone else has said? Its great that there is a place like this where people can come and ask questions and get help.

Trap, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you I'm only saying a lot of advise is given here by a lot of "newbes" as well as many experienced users. I just worry about the "newbe's" passing on hearsay advice without actually trying or experiencing much of what they tout.

Yeah, the tone of your original post seemed off is all. I get your point about beginners just spewing what they've heard.
I mean i don't run liver support on var at dosages of up to 250mg ed or tbol up to 200mg ed, i just don't need it but dbol and drol i'd die without it.

I don't PCT partially due to the reason there are potentially more sides with PCT than being on so its part of the reason I blast and cruise.

I think the main reason we give a blanket be safe answer, or at least why i do so is I think that it is better to cover all the bases with the first couple of cycles. and then a person can start to play around with things when they have more knowledge at their disposal.