Thread: smoking cannibas and taking steroids

I've heard smoking weed and juicing can generate a disposition for gyno because of the increased estrogen, and I don't know how true it is. Plus, I also heard that it can stop test production...but being on artificial production of test, that might not be the same.
Kind of convoluted.
However, for increased appetite during a bulk, it might be useful.

Anyone want to chime in? I'm not a pothead, just interested in the answer.

I did find this however:

Marijuana extracts possess the effects like the endocrine disrupting chemicals
Kazuhito Watanabea, , , Erina Motoyaa, Naoki Matsuzawaa, Tatsuya Funahashia, Toshiyuki Kimuraa, Tamihide Matsunagab, Koji Arizonoc and Ikuo Yamamotod
aDepartment of Hygienic Chemistry, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Hokuriku University, Ho-3 Kanagawa-machi, Kanazawa 920-1181, Japan
bDivision of Pharmacy, Shinshu University Hospital, 3-1-1 Asahi, Matsumoto 390-8621, Japan
cLaboratory of Toxicological Science, Faculty of Environmental and Symbiotic Sciences, Prefectural University of Kumamoto, 3-1-100 Tsukide, Kumamoto 862-8502, Japan
dSchool of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Kyushu University of Health and Welfare, 1714-1 Yoshino-cho, Nobeoka 882-8508, Japan
Received 21 July 2004; revised 1 August 2004; accepted 11 August 2004. Available online 16 September 2004.
Abstract
The progesterone 17α-hydroxylase activity, which is one of the steroidogenic enzymes in rat testis microsomes, was significantly inhibited by crude marijuana extracts from Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA)- and cannabidiolic acid (CBDA)-strains. Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol and cannabinol also inhibited the enzymatic activitiy with relatively higher concentration (100–1000 μM). Testosterone 6β- and 16α-hydroxylase activities together with androstenedione formation from testosterone in rat liver microsomes were also significantly inhibited by the crude marijuana extracts and the cannabinoids. Crude marijuana extracts (1 and 10 μg/ml) of THCA strain stimulated the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, although the purified cannabinoids (THC, CBD and CBN) did not show significant effects, such as the extract at the concentration of 0.01–1000 nM. These results indicate that there are some metabolic interactions between cannabinoid and steroid metabolism and that the constituents showing estrogen-like activity exist in marijuana.
Keywords: Marijuana; Endocrine disrupting chemicals; Testosterone; Estrogen; MCF-7

In moderation? You're golden.

Now if you're smoking 3g+ per day then you might have some problems.^^

Is it possible to know just how much volume is in three grams per bag?

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About 5 cigarette sized joints

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About 5 cigarette sized joints

i smoke all day everyday and have big problems, but just cant stop im sure i would put loads more weight on if i did i might have to try next time im on a coarse. i ussually put on 5 or so kg in a coarse with smoking dope everyday. is that a low amount??

I smoke ED and I know a LOT of people who smoke ED. I in no way think that it affects how much you will gain. Unless you would like to talk about the increased appetite.

thats nice to know. but are you guys talking about smoking weed, i live in england and only smoke solid, will there be a difference ??

You mean hash? It's same deal just more potent.

great thanks mate. maybe ill just try to cut down anyway lol

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

You mean hash? It's same deal just more potent.

Yep, and smoking oil is more potent than hash. There are some strains of grass that topple the strength of some of the hash out there. How I miss Holland!!!!!





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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Yep, and smoking oil is more potent than hash. There are some strains of grass that topple the strength of some of the hash out there. How I miss Holland!!!!!





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I'm willing to bet that our medicinal stuff grown over here is on point with anything over seas. If you haven't tried it, you should. Not all medical stuiff is worth a fuck however. Grape Ape, Blue Dream, G13 and Green Crack are a few note worthy strains I've ran across lately. Obviously it depends on who grows it.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I'm willing to bet that our medicinal stuff grown over here is on point with anything over seas. If you haven't tried it, you should. Not all medical stuiff is worth a fuck however. Grape Ape, Blue Dream, G13 and Green Crack are a few note worthy strains I've ran across lately. Obviously it depends on who grows it.

I'm a haze fan myself, I love those dark sativas. I like some of the Kush varieties as well. White widow/rhino etc. are all super uplifting strains. I'd rather smoke that in the day and the sativas at night.

I've tried US med grade herb out in California, and it still doesn't compare to what you can find in Holland. The growers I knew in Cali would plant their shit in soil and in a green house. Out in Holland, I'm sure they do the same.....but you still find great hydro set-up grown herb that was grown under 1000w HPS lights. Can't beat that!! You also can't top the variety of hash they have out there....it's insane. I'll be there come August on my way to Greece!! My buddy has a vial of oil waiting for me!



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So jealous. Would smoke seedless daily if I weren't tested. Smoked in my 20's and had great gains. I think the link to estrogen is BS.

Nothing helps you relax after a hard workout like some bud, and it sure as hell makes it easier to eat and rest lol. It's 1000x times better for you than drinking, good luck putting on muscle if you're getting drunk every night :P

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

I'm a haze fan myself, I love those dark sativas. I like some of the Kush varieties as well. White widow/rhino etc. are all super uplifting strains. I'd rather smoke that in the day and the sativas at night.

I've tried US med grade herb out in California, and it still doesn't compare to what you can find in Holland. The growers I knew in Cali would plant their shit in soil and in a green house. Out in Holland, I'm sure they do the same.....but you still find great hydro set-up grown herb that was grown under 1000w HPS lights. Can't beat that!! You also can't top the variety of hash they have out there....it's insane. I'll be there come August on my way to Greece!! My buddy has a vial of oil waiting for me!



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C'mon, NorCal is the best. Soil and sun beats closets and lamps any day.

Originally Posted by crudadillamonkey

C'mon, NorCal is the best. Soil and sun beats closets and lamps any day.

Hello no! The emerald triangle is not all it's cut out to be. Those Dutchmen got their shit down right. IMHO, it's shwag if it's outdoor.....well, most of it anyway.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Hello no! The emerald triangle is not all it's cut out to be. Those Dutchmen got their shit down right. IMHO, it's shwag if it's outdoor.....well, most of it anyway.
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Im not a smoker anymore but if you didnt get good quality in cali you were in the wrong place. A lot of the good weed here is grown indoors.

You lucky SOBs. I had to quit so I could pass this pre-employment drug test. And I'm still sweating bullets waiting to hear back wondering if I cut it too close and failed. What I wouldn't give for a nice nug of blue dream right about now.

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Im not a smoker anymore but if you didnt get good quality in cali you were in the wrong place. A lot of the good weed here is grown indoors.

Please don't misunderstand me, I've had both indoor and outdoor bud from Cali. When it comes to indoor, it really doesn't matter where it's from....just who grew it and with what methods.

The Dutch are masters when it comes to indoor growing. The hippies up in nor Cal all try to use these natural/organic soil and material. They sing kumbaya and hug their plants. I may be off on these numbers but from what one of my friends said (who grows) told me that getting 10-12% THC from outdoor is about normal these days (back in the 70s it was 5-6%). High quality indoor hydro today can yield 20%+. It's a night and day difference. Those numbers are up there with hash and oil. Damn....I'm gona spin one up now with all this bud talk!!!



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Everyone I know grows indoors with HPS setups. I too prefer the darker, heavier stuff. I save the sativa's for the morning/daytime stuff. I cook with the indica's since it's really a huge body high anyway. I've never had the oil. I would love to try that.

As for passing a drug test....Quickfix. Google it.

My friend did a butane extraction to make oil, strongest shit I've ever smoked by far. Never coughed so hard in my life lol

Originally Posted by crudadillamonkey

C'mon, NorCal is the best. Soil and sun beats closets and lamps any day.

Cali Chronic, a steroid users best friend.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

My friend did a butane extraction to make oil, strongest shit I've ever smoked by far. Never coughed so hard in my life lol

I watched a video on that on youtube yesterday, interesting

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Yep, and smoking oil is more potent than hash. There are some strains of grass that topple the strength of some of the hash out there. How I miss Holland!!!!!

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I agree