Add something for a second cycle?

**malfeasance** · 06-10-2011, 06:54 AM

I did my first cycle in the winter/spring. I won't be doing my second cycle until September, but I was curious whether others here would recommend that I should add tren or deca or dissuade me from doing so?

My first cycle was 30 mg daily of d-bol for 5 weeks and 600 mg test c for 10 weeks - scratch that, bad reaction to sustanon in the first two weeks, nothing but D-bol the next two, and 600 mg of Test C for the next 6 weeks . . . there is a thread here on it. Now that I know what to avoid . . .

Anyway, I was thinking that for the next one I might add deca or tren to the test.

Thoughts?

43 yoa
6 feet
193 pounds
10-12% bodyfat (est.)
one previous cycle

**J.thom** · 06-10-2011, 09:07 AM

6'0 193 at 12 %? Not to be a dick but I would say get your diet in check. Maybe try adding in another meal to your diet and re evaluate your goals and training. Anyway hope you do well on your next cycle, cheers!

**Ballgame23** · 06-10-2011, 09:45 AM

Main question most ppl are gonna ask is what are you trying to accomplish?

Bulk or cut?

**malfeasance** · 06-10-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by J.thom

6'0 193 at 12 %? Not to be a dick but I would say get your diet in check. Maybe try adding in another meal to your diet and re evaluate your goals and training. Anyway hope you do well on your next cycle, cheers!

I hear what you are saying. Before and after pics in this thread (post #7) to help you gauge the bodyfat percentage.
Weight loss during PCT - what is normal?

Keep in mind my age. I have been bigger and stronger naturally when I was younger. The reason I did the first cycle is that I was finding that my strength was actually decreasing with age, and I supposed that was due to normal dropping hormone levels.

I have posted the diet here (a summary is in post #13 of that linked thread) and in other fora and adapted it with suggestions from others, so I think it is correct, but I would be happy to post it again if it would help with the advice.

Goal - I would like to be 220 and 10% or less one of these days, but I am not sure if that is attainable at my age.

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 07:14 AM

Nobody wants to offer an opinion on this matter?

**GMO** · 06-13-2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Nobody wants to offer an opinion on this matter?

For a second cycle, I would recommend deca at 300-400mg/wk along with Test and D-bol. That is a classic bulking cycle. Just be sure to have the proper ancilliaries to combat estrogen and progestin (ie Aromasin, Cabergoline). I also STRONGLY recommend running HCG with Deca...

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

For a second cycle, I would recommend deca at 300-400mg/wk along with Test and D-bol. That is a classic bulking cycle. Just be sure to have the proper ancilliaries to combat estrogen and progestin (ie Aromasin, Cabergoline).

I used aromasin the first time around (with straight test and dbol it worked very well - knocked out tingling nips in one day), and I was aware that a different sort of chemical was needed to combat progestin (caber or prami). With Deca, GMO, do you recommend twice the test? So, for example, you mention 300-400mg/wk, so 600-800mg/week of test E or C?

30-40 mg a day of Dbol for 4-5 weeks?

Test and Deca for 10-12 weeks?

**SloppyJ** · 06-13-2011, 07:48 AM

I think deca is the safer bet for a second cycle.

I think 750/400 would be a good ratio. But that's just me.

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Test and Deca for 10-12 weeks?

Or Deca for ten weeks and test for 12, to give two weeks at the end with test but no Deca?

**SloppyJ** · 06-13-2011, 07:57 AM

Best to run deca for 12.

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Best to run deca for 12.

Ok, I understand that decanoate is a long ester. Have you run it, and did you end it at the same time as the test or continue test for a couple weeks longer?

**yerg** · 06-13-2011, 08:01 AM

yes, i would also go with the deca the second cycle. save the tren for later!!!!!!!!!!

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by yerg

yes, i would also go with the deca the second cycle. save the tren for later!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, yerg - that's the way I was leaning anyway. Any advice on ending it before or at the same time as the test?

**SloppyJ** · 06-13-2011, 09:38 AM

Run the test out to 14wks.

**malfeasance** · 06-13-2011, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

I also STRONGLY recommend running HCG with Deca...

Thanks, I will definitely keep this in mind.

**GMO** · 06-13-2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I think deca is the safer bet for a second cycle.

I think 750/400 would be a good ratio. But that's just me.

750/400 or 600/300 will serve you well.

Run the Deca for 12 weeks and the test for 14. I would run the d-bol for 6 weeks at the doses you mentioned. If you can be patient for your test to kick in, I would run the d-bol weeks 5-10 to get that synergy with the deca and test. I did that this time with test and am loving the results.

**SloppyJ** · 06-13-2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by GMO

750/400 or 600/300 will serve you well.

Run the Deca for 12 weeks and the test for 14. I would run the d-bol for 6 weeks at the doses you mentioned. If you can be patient for your test to kick in, I would run the d-bol weeks 5-10 to get that synergy with the deca and test. I did that this time with test and am loving the results.

That's a good idea with holding off on the dbol. Another good idea is to add some prop for the first few weeks to get it to kick in sooner.

**GMO** · 06-13-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

That's a good idea with holding off on the dbol. Another good idea is to add some prop for the first few weeks to get it to kick in sooner.

Now you're talking...

**maged** · 06-13-2011, 12:35 PM

tren on a second cycle? r u kidding? rofl

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