Thread: Stacking Advice

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I don't think you should start of with the tren, it's usually added to the cycle near the end to continue to keep the gains going. Plus 10 weeks is a long time to take tren for. What's your cycle history and other stats?

Originally Posted by AK49er

I am planning on stacking as follows:
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test Enath250 ( 1ml Twice per week)
Weeks 1-10: 400mg Tren Enanth200 (1ml twice per week)
Weeks 5-10: 50mg Oxan per day
Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg Anastrozole per day

Looking for lean mass gains, while keeping bf% as low as possible. Any advice on this stack would be greatly appreciated.

Its a good layout, But how many cycles do you have under your belt? If you haven't run tren before I would run ace becasue if the sides are to much you can take it out and it will be out of your system within a few days compared to little over a week with enanthate

What does your PCT look like?

And my preference I would sub out the anastrozole with aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Its a good layout, But how many cycles do you have under your belt? If you haven't run tren before I would run ace becasue if the sides are to much you can take it out and it will be out of your system within a few days compared to little over a week with enanthate

What does your PCT look like?

And my preference I would sub out the anastrozole with aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD

I was going with nolvadex tabs for pct for two reason:
1. not as many sides as with other
2. need some on hand anyway in case ester gets crazy on me
I plan on starting pct 21 days after cycle and run for 3-4 weeks, does this sound right ?

Originally Posted by AK49er

I was going with nolvadex tabs for pct for two reason:
1. not as many sides as with other
2. need some on hand anyway in case ester gets crazy on me
I plan on starting pct 21 days after cycle and run for 3-4 weeks, does this sound right ?

Start PCT 2 Weeks after last shot

Originally Posted by Supervette101

I don't think you should start of with the tren, it's usually added to the cycle near the end to continue to keep the gains going. Plus 10 weeks is a long time to take tren for. What's your cycle history and other stats?

I agree, was not sure if 10wks was too long, may cut cycle down to 6-8 weeks for that reason, have not decided yet. Would you recommend starting tren say week 5 if doing 10wks ? Anybody else have comments on weather tren should be used near end of cycle as opposed to cutting cycle down to say 8wks and running it throughout entire cycle ? Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by AK49er

I agree, was not sure if 10wks was too long, may cut cycle down to 6-8 weeks for that reason, have not decided yet. Would you recommend starting tren say week 5 if doing 10wks ? Anybody else have comments on weather tren should be used near end of cycle as opposed to cutting cycle down to say 8wks and running it throughout entire cycle ? Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

If your going to run tren Enanthate run it for 10 weeks, I think vette is confused with Tren Ace the short estered version

Originally Posted by World-Pharma.org

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Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Start PCT 2 Weeks after last shot

2 weeks eh, thank you for the advice...even after 10 weeks cycle ?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

If your going to run tren Enanthate run it for 10 weeks, I think vette is confused with Tren Ace the short estered version

Ok, that makes sense, thank you again for the advice.

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Its a good layout, But how many cycles do you have under your belt? If you haven't run tren before I would run ace becasue if the sides are to much you can take it out and it will be out of your system within a few days compared to little over a week with enanthate

What does your PCT look like?

And my preference I would sub out the anastrozole with aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD

Why aromasin instead of anastrozole, just curious ?
No sir i have never run tren before.

"If your going to run tren Enanthate run it for 10 weeks, I think vette is confused with Tren Ace the short estered version"


Indeed "OSL" I wasn't sure which he'd was talking about. But like you I also asked for more stats from him like how many cycles and if he'd done tren before.

Originally Posted by Supervette101

"If your going to run tren Enanthate run it for 10 weeks, I think vette is confused with Tren Ace the short estered version"


Indeed "OSL" I wasn't sure which he'd was talking about. But like you I also asked for more stats from him like how many cycles and if he'd done tren before.

As i had mentioned before, i have never ran Tren, and too answer your other question, this is my first cycle. I have done quite a bit of research over the last 3 months before i had made the decision to go ahead and understand that tren is not recommended on first cycle, due to the fact you are not sure how your body will react. I have chosen to ignore this advice for the time being, which is why i included tren e into my cycle for very specific reasons. Based off of knowing my own body and how it has reacted to different THINGS... over the years i feel i will be ok. Having said that i am open to ideas, for a beginner cycle that will still accomplish my goals i had outlined earlier in the post.

No tren for the first cycle! Let alone ur first 5 cycles! U don't even know how u will react to test. Please be mature about this. This is not shit to be taken lightly. I will gladly put together ur first cycle and aid in anyone in the future, but be open-minded and listen to advice. I had ur same mentality at one point and thank God I Wised up. Other will follow and say the same as me.

What is ur goals? Stats? Training history? Diet?

Originally Posted by IanM4208

What is ur goals? Stats? Training history? Diet?

As i posted earlier, my goal is to gain lean mass and cut bf%, this is why i wanted to use tren because of its strong AR binding qualities, which aids in lipolysis. But i also didnt like the idea of tren because it will impact my ability to do cardio, and like you said not the best idea for a first time cycle. My stats are as follows 5' 10/160/10%. I have been training a long time and know what i am doing in the gym, 8 months ago i was 200 lbs. and have pretty much cut all of that weight, but still need to loose a little more bf and gain lean muscle. i eat very clean, consuming about 1600 calories a day (only because i am testing out this new diet) normally i would eat 250-350 above maintenance to gain, keep my macro's at 40/40/20 six days a week, i train 5 days a week but still do cardio on off days. Don't get me wrong, i do not jump into anything without careful consideration, and months of research, especially when it comes to my body and health. I have already decided after months of research and consideration to go ahead and start my first cycle. What i outlined in OP was what i had come up with knowing full well that tren wasn't necessarily the best of ideas on first cycle, but like i said i know my body and i know how it has reacted in the past to other THINGS...and while i am not 100% positive i have a pretty good idea of how it will react to test or tren or anything else i put in it. Having said that, if you have a better idea to accomplish my goals i am all ears, and open to suggestions which is why i started the post...thank you in advance for your willingness to help me develop a safe and practical cycle, lets get started....i plan on ordering tomorrow.

I see where ur coming from AK. Idk what THINGS u have reacted to in the past, but u can't compare ur response and tolerance to that to AAS. Different ball game here. I'm being honest with u, so don't get defensive, but ur not ready for AAS. Your stats say u definitely have more room to grow naturally and u can cut down more with good diet and consistent exercise. It is my experience that u r not ready for AAS and u would benefit by holding off on steroids for a while. Sorry that's not what u want to here but me lying to u would benefit no one. Good luck on achieving ur goals

Originally Posted by AK49er

I was going with nolvadex tabs for pct for two reason:
1. not as many sides as with other
2. need some on hand anyway in case ester gets crazy on me
I plan on starting pct 21 days after cycle and run for 3-4 weeks, does this sound right ?

Nolva is a poor choice for PCT for a number of reasons. People still use it for Gyno issues while on, but there are much better options for recovery during PCT, such as Clomid. Twenty one days is a little long, I'd probably start PCT two weeks after rather than three.

You dont really have to per se. If he stops at wk 8 on tren e, he still has aprox 2 wks for the ester to clear. so thats still 8 wks, plenty of time to get jacked on tren. Ive ran tren ace for 8 wks with good results. E doesnt seem to kick until about 10-14 days for me.


Just my 2 Mls

Originally Posted by Supervette101

"If your going to run tren Enanthate run it for 10 weeks, I think vette is confused with Tren Ace the short estered version"

Originally Posted by IanM4208

I see where ur coming from AK. Idk what THINGS u have reacted to in the past, but u can't compare ur response and tolerance to that to AAS. Different ball game here. I'm being honest with u, so don't get defensive, but ur not ready for AAS. Your stats say u definitely have more room to grow naturally and u can cut down more with good diet and consistent exercise. It is my experience that u r not ready for AAS and u would benefit by holding off on steroids for a while. Sorry that's not what u want to here but me lying to u would benefit no one. Good luck on achieving ur goals

I appreciate the honesty, thank you for your advice. So i assume that means no beginner stacking help ? I will find my way, and achieve my goals.

I would say no tren for 1st cycle FOR SURE. But if you are going to use it, at least lower the dose to around 300mg. I ran 300mg tren e last cycle for my first go with tren. worked great. Tried 400mg for first 2 1/2 weeks this cycle and had to drop it back down because the night sweats and insomnia were out of control. Tren doesnt mess around bro.

Well I said all I can, so I do not feel guilty if anything bad happens or if u have regrets. If ur gunna do it, lets make sure u do it right. If u insist on tren, use tren ace at 300 mg with a dose of 150 mg test prop eod. That's how I would do it, but everyone is a lil different on their dosing when it comes to tren. I would ask that u consider another compound than tren, if u insist on stacking for ur cycle. Look into winny, Npp, eq, mast, or even an oral like tbol or anadrol. My ideal stack for u would be to use test prop with tbol or winny. They r way less intense than tren but will definitely get u to achieve ur goals. I will help u with dosing if u change ur mind on ur stack. If u do tren, make sure u have an AI and caber or prami. If u chose a 19nor like tren or Npp, I would suggest hcg as well. Pct should be with clomid. I personally like to frontload 200 mg for the first two days followed by a 100mg/75mg/50mg/50mg dosing scheme. Don't mix nolva with a 19 nor btw. Pct should start 2 weeks after a long ester like ethanate and about 4 days for prop. Sry all this info is scattered into a sloppy paragraph, however it is four in the morning for me, so I can't be held responsible for my lack of writing skills.

Originally Posted by AK49er

this is my first cycle. I have done quite a bit of research over the last 3 months before i had made the decision to go ahead and understand that tren is not recommended on first cycle, due to the fact you are not sure how your body will react. I have chosen to ignore this advice for the time being

Well, ignore the advice, then, but you need to stick with test for the first time around . . . Also, at 160 pounds and 5'10", you probably need to lift a few more years naturally before even doing a straight test cycle.

Hey guys, i am not ignoring the advice, and still have not made up my mind about weather aas is a good choice for me or not...i have been lifting for years now and believe i could use aas to help put some meat back on after an intense cut from 200 to 160, in which i did loose some mass during that cut which lasted 6 mos. I have decided not to use tren at all and if i do aas this is what i am thinking now, please any advice as i have said multiple time is greatly appreciated. Let me know about this cycle, i do understand that cycling for first time is not always good and if i do run into problems i will not be able to trace it one item because i am stacking.

Cycle length and layout:
Length 10 weeks
Weeks 1-10 250 mg Test E twice per week.
Weeks 3-10 40 mg Primo 600 mg per week.
Weeks 1-10 Anastrozole .5 mg per day (continued for at least 10 days after cycle.)

I believe this would be a much safer alternative than the stack i put together in OP.
What do you think IanM4208, i am open to other suggestions as well of course.

I respect u for listening to those more experienced than u and not using tren. If u use it later down the road, u will understand y. I honestly have no experience or knowleadge on primo. Do some research on it and ask other n u will find the answer ur looking for. I really think if u r to do a cycle, u should go with test prop and tbol. U will be amazed by ur gains if u put the work in. Also post up ur diet and training in the appropriate sections and I as well as those wiser than me, will be glad to help u tune it in

Originally Posted by IanM4208

I respect u for listening to those more experienced than u and not using tren. If u use it later down the road, u will understand y. I honestly have no experience or knowleadge on primo. Do some research on it and ask other n u will find the answer ur looking for. I really think if u r to do a cycle, u should go with test prop and tbol. U will be amazed by ur gains if u put the work in. Also post up ur diet and training in the appropriate sections and I as well as those wiser than me, will be glad to help u tune it in

I did do some research and from what i understand it is a good alternative to anavar or winstrol, less possible sides and so forth. I decided not to do tren because of the advise of others(like yourself) against it and i want better gains down the road and do not want to play those cards yet, so thank you for that sir. I choose tren e instead of prop because i didn't want to pin myself as often being new and from what i have researched prop can make you much more sore than e. But again, i will listen if you disagree with that statement. I am not crazy of the idea of retaining more water and being more bloated though. I will do some research on tbol, why do you recommend that ?

I will post my diet in the appropriate place when i get a chance, so you can look it over, i decided to drop the diet i was trying and go back to the old tried and true. I would also really appreciate some advice on a good pct as well. Right now i was thinking of hcgenerate/forma stanzanol. What do you recommend ?

Many will disagree with me on this but I like prop for the first cycle becausenit makes things easy to gauge and find the right dose. Also u can adjust ur dose alot quicker than a longer ester. Ur choice, its really not that big of a deal. Its simple and easy to inject, so I don't like that as an arguement to choosing a longer ester.
I like tbol because orals are easy and its not too complicated for ur first cycle. U can dose it very easily and find ur sweet spot in no time. Plus I don't like the idea of two injectables on ur first cycle. Tbol is not as intense as te other drugs but it's still a sterile, so don't underestimate it.
I like to keep pct some as clomid (dose posted earlier) and an AI. Add some vit c for cortisol control and u will be fine.
Btw I would also go with prop for ur cycle because there will be less bloat as that is one of ur concerns. I have never gotten sore enuff from an injection that it provenyed me from something.g, so I tend to neglect soreness as something to consider