Thread: advice for sponsors

Originally Posted by rocco0218

It seems to be very common for ugl's to underfill their vials...As a consumer, I would like to see overfill. It's a common practice in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry to overfill. For example: 10 ml vials should be overfilled by at least .5ml. A 2ml should be overfilled by .2, and 1ml ampules should be overfilled by .1. Think about it, this will not cost much more and you will be showing us that you want to do good business. We don't like to feel like we are being cheated!! Doing this will put you a head above the rest and will yield much more for you in the long run...Wouldn't it be nice to read the threads about how you took the time to put out a quality product, which was properly dosed and properly filled?

Yes and thats what a lot of labs do.
If i bought a 10ml vial of test and there was 10.5ml in there i would be asking why ?
If they can't get the quantity right what chance the got the dose right.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Yes and thats what a lot of labs do.
If i bought a 10ml vial of test and there was 10.5ml in there i would be asking why ?
If they can't get the quantity right what chance the got the dose right.

If you have ever gotten a 10ml from a pharmacy in the U.S. you would know that it is a standard practice to overfill .5ml. This is to ensure that you have the correct amount for each dose from the multidose vial. This makes up for the little amount that is lost when drawing from a vial.
So are you saying you feel more comfortable losing a dose because that is what you are used to?

Most, if not all, drug vials have overfill in them so patients can get the proper amount, said Gene Day, director of pharmacy for Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura.
“Generally, there’s not that much overfill to where you would have a significant amount of overfill to give to anyone else,” he said.
Of the different ways drugs are distributed — multi-use vials with multiple doses, single-use vials with a single dose and pre-filled syringes — single-use vials tend to require the most overfill. Overfill amounts can vary widely.


Read more: Amgen suit unveils industry 'overfilling' practices » Ventura County Star
- vcstar.com

An overfill is the small quantity of medication that pharmaceutical manufacturers include in drug vials to help assure that appropriate doses of the drug can be withdrawn from the vial for administration, and in pharmacy practice is generally understood to be necessary to account for product loss when a liquid drug is prepared and administered appropriately.

[0007]The multidose vial 10 comprises an outer shell 12 defining a main body portion 14 and a narrower neck portion 16. A tapering shoulder portion 18 connects the body and neck portions. The body, neck and shoulder portions together define an interior chamber 20 for containing multiple doses of a drug product. The chamber 20 might have a volume of about 6 ml, hence being sufficient to contain ten standard 0.5 ml doses of a vaccine (allowing for a standard 10% overfill allowance).


Read more: MULTIDOSE VIAL ASSEMBLIES AND ADAPTERS THEREFOR - Patent application

The overfill compensates for the inherent variability of the manual process, as well as the difficulty of removing the liquid completely from the vial.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Yes and thats what a lot of labs do.
If i bought a 10ml vial of test and there was 10.5ml in there i would be asking why ?
If they can't get the quantity right what chance the got the dose right.

It sounds to me like you are happy and quite used to being ripped off. However, I am sure most others on this board are not!! Who likes preparing their shots and realizing they are gonna have to stop a week short? Not me!! And if asked, nobody...except for possibly you. How many times have we read...looks like I will have to order more because my vials are short? Way too many!!! You are a board rep, right? Well these posts should bother you too!!

Originally Posted by blazeftp
Yes and thats what a lot of labs do.
If i bought a 10ml vial of test and there was 10.5ml in there i would be asking why ?
If they can't get the quantity right what chance the got the dose right.

If they didn't have 10.5ml then I have got news for you, they didn't get it right!!

Originally Posted by rocco0218

This makes up for the little amount that is lost when drawing from a vial?

Fuck u talking about willis?

Read it...then you will know what I am talking about!!!

Originally Posted by rocco0218

Read it...then you will know what I am talking about!!!

It won't make sense if I read it 10 times. How do you lose volume when you draw up? It doesn't evaporate. And im sure the two drops that run down the pin won't equal .05ml.

It won't make sense if I read it 10 times. How do you lose volume when you draw up? It doesn't evaporate. And im sure the two drops that run down the pin won't equal .05ml.

That is embarrassing...are you telling me that you can draw out of a vial 10 times and get every drop, while at the same time not losing any? For example; not getting every drop from the vial, the two drops you mentioned per pin, and what is left in the pin receptacle every time. Is that what you are telling me? Because if that is what you are saying...then you are telling me you always get vials which contain overfill!! Do the math bro.

Originally Posted by rocco0218

It won't make sense if I read it 10 times. How do you lose volume when you draw up? It doesn't evaporate. And im sure the two drops that run down the pin won't equal .05ml.

That is embarrassing...are you telling me that you can draw out of a vial 10 times and get every drop, while at the same time not losing any? For example; not getting every drop from the vial, the two drops you mentioned per pin, and what is left in the pin receptacle every time. Is that what you are telling me? Because if that is what you are saying...then you are telling me you always get vials which contain overfill!! Do the math bro.

No bro. But I don't get booty hurt when my last pin is .2ml short. I just open up a new one.....

You shouldn't comment on threads in which you don't know what you are talking about. Which may be quite a few...

Originally Posted by rocco0218

it seems to be very common for ugl's to underfill their vials...as a consumer, i would like to see overfill. It's a common practice in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry to overfill. For example: 10 ml vials should be overfilled by at least .5ml. A 2ml should be overfilled by .2, and 1ml ampules should be overfilled by .1. Think about it, this will not cost much more and you will be showing us that you want to do good business. We don't like to feel like we are being cheated!! Doing this will put you a head above the rest and will yield much more for you in the long run...wouldn't it be nice to read the threads about how you took the time to put out a quality product, which was properly dosed and properly filled?

agreed!!!

Originally Posted by Freeway

agreed!!!

Disagree!!!

Your problem solving is skewed.

10 ml = .5 over If I bought 100 ml I would have 5 ml's extra.

2 ml = .2 over Same as below

1 ml = .1 over If I bought 100 ml I would have an extra 10 ml's.

If this was true I would buy 100 1ml to get 10 extra ml's .....

Wishful Thinking.

Originally Posted by justhav2p

Disagree!!!

Your problem solving is skewed.

10 ml = .5 over If I bought 100 ml I would have 5 ml's extra.

2 ml = .2 over Same as below

1 ml = .1 over If I bought 100 ml I would have an extra 10 ml's.

If this was true I would buy 100 1ml to get 10 extra ml's .....

Wishful Thinking.

When was the last time you ordered a 100ml vial from your local dealer?
What I was saying to the SPONSORS was the industry standard is a .5ml overfill for a 10ml vial...Don't overthink!! It is really weird a couple of you are having some resistance to this idea. But then again, we don't all think very logically, now do we?

Keep in mind the pin itself holds some, and I believe many people do not line up the plunger properly, thus overdrawing slightly.

Originally Posted by rocco0218

When was the last time you ordered a 100ml vial from your local dealer?
What I was saying to the SPONSORS was the industry standard is a .5ml overfill for a 10ml vial...Don't overthink!! It is really weird a couple of you are having some resistance to this idea. But then again, we don't all think very logically, now do we?

I would love extra gear.

I don't understand how you think the industry standard is getting more.

Tons of the AAS community have ordered well over 100 ml's.

I would be more worried about
1. Getting my order.
2. Underdosed gear.
3. Bunk altogether.
4 Seizure letter.

1-4 is a little more important than being shorted .1 ml or not knowing how to leave an air bubble in the syring to get every last drop.

Not all of us think very logically?
I apologize for breaking it down for you and explaining how your threory might sound good, but on paper has no merit.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

No bro. But I don't get booty hurt when my last pin is .2ml short. I just open up a new one.....

You have one what 20 shots so you havent even lost 2 ml of test. When you do more than one cycle in your life it adds up.

Yeah some have a little more some a little less..I kinda see your point op because over the last 10 yrs I've prob been short more often than not but also I agree with the one guy that was talking about getting real shit period...I can take th .1ml .2ml hit as long as my sponser keeps getting the pcks to my door

A slight overfill would be ideal because there is some lost in the needle unless you leave an air bubble at the top of the syringe. Either way in reality many of the producers are out to make money and when you are producing thousands of vials and selling them for next to nothing shorting the vials is an easy way to makes some profit in the long haul.

Then again you can look at it this way if you are getting a vial that has the right amount in it you will not get the full amount so plan for this and have extra on hand. Ideally I would like to have slightly more than the dose needed to compensate for loss but this is just wishful thinking.