Thread: Cycle summary - take a look

Originally Posted by nby

How does the following cycle look for a friend of mine:


wk 01-13 test e 500mg/ew/2 shots
wk 01-12 deca 300mg/ew/2 shots
wk 01-04 dbol ~30mg/ed
wk 10-15 anavar 50mg/ed (up to day before PCT start)

wk 05-09 HCG 250iu/e2d
wk 14-15 HCG 500iu/e2d

wk 16-19 nolvadex 20mg/ed
wk 16-19 aromasin 20mg/ed

A-dex on hand.

Now for some questions:

• Would adding Proviron at 50mg's from week 5 (after the dbol/tbol) be handy in this cycle?
• Have dostinex/caber for deca gyno, from what week and what dose should it be ran?
• Perhaps just use HCG for 10 weeks and remove the interval it has now.
• PCT good? He doesnt respond well to clomid.

He's about 200lbs, 5,8" and decently lean. Training for 3-4 years, test only previous cycle.

Take HCG throughout. Get rid of the interval. It makes no sense to do it that way.

Caber 0.5mg E3D. You should have some Prami on hand in case of progesterone related gyno, though the Caber will hopefully prevent that.

Doesn't respond well to Clomid? In what way? And how do you know? Did you get labs done to verify that it didn't help to restart Test production? Who's clomid were you running on your last cycle? Was it Human grade in pill form, or a research chem? Did you have labs done before your cycle to compare your natural test levels to your test levels after PCT?

If I was you, I would give the Clomid another try and ditch the Nolva for PCT. Since you are running Deca, which is a 19 nor, you shouldn't need the Nolva at all for this cycle.

Someone else can help you with your Proviron question.

Edit: Also, I would run the Test two week longer than the Deca, and not just one. Test 14 Weeks, Deca 12.

Originally Posted by M4A3

Take HCG throughout. Get rid of the interval. It makes no sense to do it that way.

Caber 0.5mg E3D. You should have some Prami on hand in case of progesterone related gyno, though the Caber will hopefully prevent that.

Doesn't respond well to Clomid? In what way? And how do you know? Did you get labs done to verify that it didn't help to restart Test production? Who's clomid were you running on your last cycle? Was it Human grade in pill form, or a research chem? Did you have labs done before your cycle to compare your natural test levels to your test levels after PCT?

If I was you, I would give the Clomid another try and ditch the Nolva for PCT. Since you are running Deca, which is a 19 nor, you shouldn't need the Nolva at all for this cycle.

Someone else can help you with your Proviron question.

Edit: Also, I would run the Test two week longer than the Deca, and not just one. Test 14 Weeks, Deca 12.

First off, thanks for the reply. Like i said it's not for me im running a different cycle.

U sure HCG that long wont desensitise/harm leydig cells for that duration?

Will do the caber, dont think i can get prami.

And clomid was from a respected UGL and had alot of depression, nolva seemed better although there was no deca there. Will consider clomid then.

Test 2 weeks over deca it is.

Originally Posted by nby

First off, thanks for the reply. Like i said it's not for me im running a different cycle.

U sure HCG that long wont desensitise/harm leydig cells for that duration?

Will do the caber, dont think i can get prami.

And clomid was from a respected UGL and had alot of depression, nolva seemed better although there was no deca there. Will consider clomid then.

Test 2 weeks over deca it is.

That is a total myth.

Originally Posted by nby

First off, thanks for the reply. Like i said it's not for me im running a different cycle.

U sure HCG that long wont desensitise/harm leydig cells for that duration?

Will do the caber, dont think i can get prami.

And clomid was from a respected UGL and had alot of depression, nolva seemed better although there was no deca there. Will consider clomid then.

Test 2 weeks over deca it is.

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As for the HCG questions, see the following.

Look at the Dosing protocol that is used by doctors for treatment of patients.

At the doses you're going to be taking HCG (500-1000 iu a week), you're not going to do shit to yourself but keep your balls from shrinking. Keep in mind that the dosing protocol they are detailing on the site is for Prepubertal cryptorchidism, which means they are recommending that dose for people who haven't even hit puberty yet (children).

http://www.drugs.com/dosage/novarel.html

I would use the aromasin for the duration, the caber will block progesterone but you will need estrogen control as well. Progesterone works synergistically with estrogen so by controlling E, much of the problems with progesterone can be avoided. 12.5mg a day should suffice.

Originally Posted by bccs

I would use the aromasin for the duration, the caber will block progesterone but you will need estrogen control as well. Progesterone works synergistically with estrogen so by controlling E, much of the problems with progesterone can be avoided. 12.5mg a day should suffice.

This is correct. Good advice here.

Though I would start with 12.5mg EOD, and not ED. Aromasin is strong stuff. I would rather start lower and adjust up, then start too high, and get sore joints and other side effects from not having enough estrogen in my system. Not having enough estrogen will also hamper your gains. Everyone is different, so you'll have to find what works best for you.

I've read this PCT guide somewhere that you'd best use another type II AI like a-dex during the cycle and use aromasin during the PCT to reap the full benefits.
Will use an AI then to keep estrogen under control.

Any thoughts about the proviron? Save it for another time?
Or perhaps run it along var to sharpen up?

I would extend test out another week to give 2 weeks before deca and last shot of test, then you won't run into chance of the famous "deca dick".

Just run the same amount of HCG throughout the cycle, some do 500ui a week, some 1000ui.

I'd run aromasin on cycle as well as PCT. There's many benefits to aromasin over adex.