Thread: deca and test

deca will help with keepin the joints greased and is straight Mass gainer w the propet dose.
Lovn it lol

Deca works synergustiically with test. It wont necessarily make you harder but eill definetly help increase mass. Hardness and cut are determined by diet and cardio. Like dath said its a miracle for sore joints caused by years of heavylifting. Its best run at around 300-400mg a week with test at 500-700mg a week. Never run it without test if you want to ever make your girl happy lol!!

how would i run anavar in this cycle?
weeks1-12 500 mg test e or c
weeks 1-5 40 mgs dbol ed

Originally Posted by manickanuck

how would i run anavar in this cycle?
weeks1-12 500 mg test e or c
weeks 1-5 40 mgs dbol ed

First of all, what is your:

cycle history/height/weight/bf%/years of lifting experience?

Originally Posted by manickanuck

whats the benefit of adding deca to a cycle of test and dbols. does deca give you a harder look?

Harder look-no. Strength and size-yes.

Originally Posted by M4A3

First of all, what is your:

cycle history/height/weight/bf%/years of lifting experience?

2 previous cycles...albeit small ones just test and dbols, i guess that counts, been lifting for 15 years on and off, seady for the last 18 months im 5''8 185 fairly lean not sure of percentage but i can see veins in upper chest shoulder area. hope this helps. ive stated before that i have not cycled, i figured these were'nt worth mentioning but it seems to be the ideal first cycle, and my bodyfat i only guessed on other posts but never got measured im thinking anywhere from 12-15 not really sure

deca isnt going to give you a harder look it will bloat you if anything . with test and dbol you may want to have an anti Estro on hand just in case for bloating purposes . or dandelion root works OK not great tho . But looks like you have a nice bulking cycle Test/deca is a very common and great bulker cycle for sure . You def want to have your PCT ready since deca will kill you natrual production after your first shot

Originally Posted by GrappleStrong

deca isnt going to give you a harder look it will bloat you if anything . with test and dbol you may want to have an anti Estro on hand just in case for bloating purposes . or dandelion root works OK not great tho . But looks like you have a nice bulking cycle Test/deca is a very common and great bulker cycle for sure . You def want to have your PCT ready since deca will kill you natrual production after your first shot

Good points there bro. To be honest though deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound. Cutting amd bulking is achieved by diet. Aas allows you to Gain muscle through quicker and more efficient uptake and utilization of protein and other nutrients. So technically you could use deca for cutting with great success providing yoir diet and excercise plans are dialed in fir this effect.

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Good points there bro. To be honest though deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound. Cutting amd bulking is achieved by diet. Aas allows you to Gain muscle through quicker and more efficient uptake and utilization of protein and other nutrients. So technically you could use deca for cutting with great success providing yoir diet and excercise plans are dialed in fir this effect.

^This

I think people have a misconseption of AAS's, inject and blam bulked up, or inject and blam all cut up and have veins showing everywhere!

All comes down to time in the gym and diet.<----notice the period!

Deca durabolin ( nandrolone decanoate) )has a lower affinity for aromatase and converts to estrogens only about half as much as testosterone. Nandrolones do convert to a dihydrotestosterone analogue but that DHT ana has very low affinity for the androgen receptor. In rodant studies nandrolones have very low androgenic character and slightly higher anabolic character as compared to testosterone. In total these characteristics give the drug a much more anabolic character with minimal estrogenic side effects, such as water retention, female pattern fat distribution and gynecomastia. On the androgenic side, nandrolones produce far less androgenic side effects such as BPH and oily skin. In practice nandrolones can give some gynecomastia due to stimulation of the progesterone receptor and downstream effects so it is still advisable to use estrogen control as progesterone related side effects are dependent on estrogen. It is not advisable to use tamoxifen as it's use can exacerbate the problem. Lastly, nandrolone and its metabolites can cause some ED problems in some users and some measures can or should be taken to minimize this problem.

Overall nandrolones are very good anabolic agents for injury recovery and tissue building. They are anti-inflammatory and provide joint tissue support. When used in conjunction with a testosterone base to yield 1-3 times normal physiologic levels (~ 100-400 mg/w) nandrolone at 200-400 mg/w will add significant joint support, healing and recuperative powers and tissue accrual without added androgenic and estrogenic effects of a similar added dose of testosterone. Higher doses of testosterone and nandrolone can change the positive and negative profile of actions.

my 2 cents,

G

I'm allergic to deca, everytime I take it I break out in thighs.

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Good points there bro. To be honest though deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound. Cutting amd bulking is achieved by diet. Aas allows you to Gain muscle through quicker and more efficient uptake and utilization of protein and other nutrients. So technically you could use deca for cutting with great success providing yoir diet and excercise plans are dialed in fir this effect.

Not completely true.

If AAS only did just that, then we would only take 1 compound. You do realize compounds do different things to our bodies?

If they all did the same thing then why do you take tren? Why do you take dbol? Not everything is just up to your diet home skillet.

While I agree that diet can make changes to your body as far as bf% and over all weight. Compounds do have their role in body composition. Clearly you don't need me to break down what each compound can do differently for you, because you already know that. You just parrot the same shit over and over or whatever topic is currently trending on the board.

Originally Posted by underscore

Not completely true.

If AAS only did just that, then we would only take 1 compound. You do realize compounds do different things to our bodies?

If they all did the same thing then why do you take tren? Why do you take dbol? Not everything is just up to your diet home skillet.

While I agree that diet can make changes to your body as far as bf% and over all weight. Compounds do have their role in body composition. Clearly you don't need me to break down what each compound can do differently for you, because you already know that. You just parrot the same shit over and over or whatever topic is currently trending on the board.

Your right. Ill just check with you first bro sorry im new at this. Please help your opinion means the world to me lol.


Ps who are you?

No I think he's 100% right. If you wanted you could run nothing but 500mg test cycles the rest of your life and cut or bulk just fine. I think tren actually does have some fat burning/nutrition partititioning effects and possibly anavar which might make them slightly more suitable for cutting. But IMO the reason certain things are said to be used for one or the other is water retention. You could run a test/deca/dbol cycle and get cut to the bone, but with a bunch of water retention you won't really look it. I would say most "bulkers" are actually stronger compounds and might be even better than most cutting drugs, but since they are largely "wet" compounds they aren't used for that much. You can gain mass with cut blend (prop/mast/tren) if you're eating enough but if you eat less your results will be shifted towards cutting/recomp.

Originally Posted by Digitalash

No I think he's 100% right. If you wanted you could run nothing but 500mg test cycles the rest of your life and cut or bulk just fine. I think tren actually does have some fat burning/nutrition partititioning effects and possibly anavar which might make them slightly more suitable for cutting. But IMO the reason certain things are said to be used for one or the other is water retention. You could run a test/deca/dbol cycle and get cut to the bone, but with a bunch of water retention you won't really look it. I would say most "bulkers" are actually stronger compounds and might be even better than most cutting drugs, but since they are largely "wet" compounds they aren't used for that much. You can gain mass with cut blend (prop/mast/tren) if you're eating enough but if you eat less your results will be shifted towards cutting/recomp.

Exactly bro. I am cutting right now and started with sus deca and dbol as it allows you to continue to build size while on a reduced calorie diet. The bloat can be controlled by ai and to an extant sodium manipulation. Some compounds will provide a slight thermogenuc effect but at the same time you could use them to gain mass ie tren. Just takes a little research and also personal experience to realize that what we said is true. But we are all alowed an opinion its just some are not backed up with fact lol!

Originally Posted by Digitalash

No I think he's 100% right. If you wanted you could run nothing but 500mg test cycles the rest of your life and cut or bulk just fine. I think tren actually does have some fat burning/nutrition partititioning effects and possibly anavar which might make them slightly more suitable for cutting. But IMO the reason certain things are said to be used for one or the other is water retention. You could run a test/deca/dbol cycle and get cut to the bone, but with a bunch of water retention you won't really look it. I would say most "bulkers" are actually stronger compounds and might be even better than most cutting drugs, but since they are largely "wet" compounds they aren't used for that much. You can gain mass with cut blend (prop/mast/tren) if you're eating enough but if you eat less your results will be shifted towards cutting/recomp.

Thank you for the bro science.

You do know that compounds affecting "water retention" has never been proven right?

You also just backed my statement about differnet compounds having a different effects in body composition. While I do not agree with you in that they only effect "water retention" in your body, I agree that they yield different results.

I can tell you hands down I look different after a cycle of test/deca than I do with Test/Tren. Without changing my diet, it's a night and day difference.

Again, all of you know what the compounds can do for you. There is a million threads asking which cycle to start for what kind of results. Honestly my favorite is tren for the vascular look, along with visible muscle striations. I never get that with deca, on the same diet.

Sometimes when you don't have the science all you have to go on is broscience :P

As far as water retention of course compounds that aromatize to some degree are going to cause more water retention, and even an AI doesn't seem to completely reduce that for me. I don't think it's a coincidince that most "cutting" drugs aromatize very little or not at all. I agree tren has shown to have body composition benefits in animals, after all that is what it was made for. I'm sure there are others as well that we just don't have the research to backup, but I think we can agree if alot of people say it works then there's probably something to it.

So what I'm basically saying, any AAS will aid you when cutting, at least to the point of retaining muscle and strength. Add in that many of them also cause increased vascularity which is desirable when cutting. But my point remains, test will aid you in just about everything. Other AAS will help drastically when cutting. And the same goes for using cutting drugs when bulking. 90% of it comes down to diet.

All I know is, Test & NPP gets you JACKED !

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Good points there bro. To be honest though deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound. Cutting amd bulking is achieved by diet. Aas allows you to Gain muscle through quicker and more efficient uptake and utilization of protein and other nutrients. So technically you could use deca for cutting with great success providing yoir diet and excercise plans are dialed in fir this effect.

Thanks for clarifying Digitalash. Just to bring this full circle we can see that the above quote isn't completely correct.

Why would you use Deca if your goal is to cut. It's counter productive isn't it? If I wanted to cut I would personally use Tren. I would reach my goal faster and be more happy with the final look (increased visible vasularity and muscle striations). Of course, each is subject to their own opinion on what that final look will be.

But my point is that diet doesn't give you everything and saying stuff like dlasky did about "deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound" is just plain false.

Originally Posted by chronicelite

All I know is, Test & NPP gets you JACKED !

For sure even on doritos and beer as long as your using "cutting cimpounds"!! Lol!!

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

For sure even on doritos and beer as long as your using "cutting cimpounds"!! Lol!!

Maybe if you add more exclamation points people would take your advice more seriously.

Originally Posted by underscore

Thanks for clarifying Digitalash. Just to bring this full circle we can see that the above quote isn't completely correct.

Why would you use Deca if your goal is to cut. It's counter productive isn't it? If I wanted to cut I would personally use Tren. I would reach my goal faster and be more happy with the final look (increased visible vasularity and muscle striations). Of course, each is subject to their own opinion on what that final look will be.

But my point is that diet doesn't give you everything and saying stuff like dlasky did about "deca is just as good a cutter as any other compound" is just plain false.

Bro you have no clue! Do some research. Opinions are like assholes everybody has one. Back up what you say. You are just trying to prove a point that isnt true lol whatever bro. Take tren eat like shit get huge!!

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Bro you have no clue! Do some research. Opinions are like assholes everybody has one. Back up what you say. You are just trying to prove a point that isnt true lol whatever bro. Take tren eat like shit get huge!!

This is my last post in this thread since it seems the OP has his answer and to save everyone's eyeballs from your continuous crap posts.

Diet + the correct compound for your goal = synergistic. You stated early that just diet alone reguardless of compound will give you what you want. Which is counter productive. Can it be accomplished, sure. But why waste effort. I never said compound alone, without a dialed in diet will give you what you want.

So no, do not eat doritos or "shit" to get huge. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, apparently.

Have a nice day.