Thread: First cycle advice please

you probably should leave out the deca for a first cycle. what are you planning for pct? you should also run an ai during your cycle like aromasin at 12.5-25mg eod depending on what works for you. pct should be something like clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/25/12.5. you need to also post your age/lifting experience/weight/height/approximate BF% as per board rules to get help. read all the stickies in this section and a lot of your questions will be answered.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

you probably should leave out the deca for a first cycle. what are you planning for pct? you should also run an ai during your cycle like aromasin at 12.5-25mg eod depending on what works for you. pct should be something like clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/25/12.5. you need to also post your age/lifting experience/weight/height/approximate BF% as per board rules to get help. read all the stickies in this section and a lot of your questions will be answered.

I have heard of running an AI while on cycle but i do not want to hinder my gains. I kno what signs to look to if need be a yes i will be running clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/25/12.5.

age:20
lifting: for 3 years with correct form and strict diet
weight:90kg
height:not sure maybe 5'10
BF:12%

Also i dont want to hear im to young. I just want advice on my first cycle.

Im serious when it comes to weight lifting and dont fuck around. I want the best advice so i do it by the book. I have a doc that will be monitoring me on cycle and have had my bloodwork done with a full hormonal check

oh and im also using Liv52 for a liver cleanse whilst on cycle but have started that 1 week prior to begining

Originally Posted by strength is pain

Some people are telling me im running to much for a first cycle and some are saying not enough.

looks a like a decent experiment to me..the ai isnt a bad idea.. can help to keep the bloat down also but judging by what youve written you knew that. you might want nolva on hand also with clomid incase of a flare up but i know there are differing opinions on this. best of luck!! hope you get hugified.

Originally Posted by skinnyguy180

looks a like a decent experiment to me..the ai isnt a bad idea.. can help to keep the bloat down also but judging by what youve written you knew that. you might want nolva on hand also with clomid incase of a flare up but i know there are differing opinions on this. best of luck!! hope you get hugified.

Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties so why have nolva aswell when they practically are the same. I do have nolva and also letro incase but in theory there both the same?

and btw thanx mate hope it all works out for me

Clomid gyno question

The above is a thread on clomid and gyno.

i still think you should run an ai during cycle. you can run it e3d. i dont think it will hinder gains too much but if you do run it, it will greatly reduce chances of negative side effects.

Most of the time an AI hinders your gain b/c you're dosing it too high. For example, I take Arimidex 0.5mg E5D or even once a week and it does the trick. Someone else might need more or even less. You should be fine with Test only but it is typical to kickstart with Dbol at 30-50mg ED for first 4-5 weeks of cycle while waiting for long estered Test to "kick in."

Probably overkill to use Deca b/c you will get substantially bigger and stronger on Test and Dbol provided your caloric and protein intake is high enough i.e. 4,000 + calories ED and 1.5 - 2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight.

Dude Nolvadex competes for receptors selectively in breast tissue and binds to them, that's why its used for gyno. Clomid does not

^^^ Whats he said.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

Dude Nolvadex competes for receptors selectively in breast tissue and binds to them, that's why its used for gyno. Clomid does not

oh really? kool i didnt no that. so your saying if my body is prone to gyno than tamoxifen citrate is a better option to clomiphene

Originally Posted by BigBird

Most of the time an AI hinders your gain b/c you're dosing it too high. For example, I take Arimidex 0.5mg E5D or even once a week and it does the trick. Someone else might need more or even less. You should be fine with Test only but it is typical to kickstart with Dbol at 30-50mg ED for first 4-5 weeks of cycle while waiting for long estered Test to "kick in."

Probably overkill to use Deca b/c you will get substantially bigger and stronger on Test and Dbol provided your caloric and protein intake is high enough i.e. 4,000 + calories ED and 1.5 - 2 grams protein per lb of bodyweight.

i start this monday and i have exemestane (aromosin) on hand so how much should i be using? I dont want to use to much as i want to gain as much as i can out of my first cycle but i also want to do it correctly and minimise sides. How often should i be taking aromosin and at what dose without hindering my gains.

Originally Posted by strength is pain

i start this monday and i have exemestane (aromosin) on hand so how much should i be using? I dont want to use to much as i want to gain as much as i can out of my first cycle but i also want to do it correctly and minimise sides. How often should i be taking aromosin and at what dose without hindering my gains.

Start with 12.5mg EOD and see how that goes. Only adjust more or less if needed but give this a couple of weeks.

Noone noticed his age yet? 20 is still very young.

Originally Posted by nby

Noone noticed his age yet? 20 is still very young.

we all noticed but he said he did not care in the beginning and did not want to hear it... I think everyone id just trying to be constructive.

Originally Posted by strength is pain

oh really? kool i didnt no that. so your saying if my body is prone to gyno than tamoxifen citrate is a better option to clomiphene

for spot treatment of gyno, yes
clomid is for restarting Hpta in pct and thats pretty much it

Originally Posted by strength is pain

First cycle im about to start:

Running 600mg test enanthate per week for 14 weeks and 30mg of dbol each day for 5 weeks, with appropriate PCT afterwards. Should i throw in some DECA to the mix aswell or will this be to much for my first cycle.

Some people are telling me im running to much for a first cycle and some are saying not enough.

Thats a solid first cycle, I would even advise doing it only @ 10-12 weeks. Save the deca for later.

-T

Originally Posted by BigBird

Start with 12.5mg EOD and see how that goes. Only adjust more or less if needed but give this a couple of weeks.

ok because every1 believes running an AI ill run one to be safe. thanks for your help ill post more pics after my bulk to see the difference. i currently have some up and there all natty

Originally Posted by nby

Noone noticed his age yet? 20 is still very young.

and yes for the average 20 year old person 20 is too young but if you look at my photos youll see that im fairly developed for a natural 20 year old, my strength is good atm aswell. my lifts are current weighing 90kg;

deadlift:230kg
squat:170kg
bench:150kg

my diet is also perfect and i train properly and hard for the last 3 years and have neally gotten to my maxium natty strength.(well i may grow 0.5kg every 6 months on my lifts but thats fuck all)

so i think its about time i start.

all im trying to do is get the best advice possible so i do it the most correct way without ppl judging about age.

Originally Posted by LightBearer

for spot treatment of gyno, yes
clomid is for restarting Hpta in pct and thats pretty much it

oh kool i never knew that thanx. yer i may run 20mg of tamoxifen citrate ed as my chest grows the most prominent out of all muscles in my boy so i may be prone to gyno and as i dont want to hinder my gains i think tamoxifen citrate will be the best course of action.

Originally Posted by TwisT

Thats a solid first cycle, I would even advise doing it only @ 10-12 weeks. Save the deca for later.

-T

yer kool i was thinkin that 14 weeks may be too much as you gains start to stop after 10 weeks dont they?

Originally Posted by strength is pain

yer kool i was thinkin that 14 weeks may be too much as you gains start to stop after 10 weeks dont they?

Depends on the stack you're running. It's common to hit a "plateau" after 8-12 weeks. That's usually when those of us who run a lengthy blast cycle will switch compounds a bit to seek that added boost, body recomp, etc.

looks solid, most 20 year olds dont do any research and just dive staright in, at least he has done most his homework.

Loaroks solid bro. Id leave out the deca for your first cycle. Start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test. Here is a solid pct:
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Phytoserms347

Originally Posted by BigBird

Most of the time an AI hinders your gain b/c you're dosing it too high. For example, I take Arimidex 0.5mg E5D or even once a week and it does the trick. Someone else might need more or even less. You should be fine with Test only but it is typical to kickstart with Dbol at 30-50mg ED for first 4-5 weeks of cycle while waiting for long estered Test to "kick in."

I dunno how much truth there is in that statement.

1mg of adex or 2.5mg of letro only showed about 50% E2 reduction in males. Most people don't even take that much on daily basis.

Hey every1 I have altered my cycle a bit, please let me kno what u think.

Wk1-5 30mg of dianabol ED
Wk1-5 600mg of test E
Wk5-10 400mg of deca
Wk5-13 750mg of test E

Ancillaries:
Caber
Aromosin (12.5mg E2D)
Vagina on tap

Supps:
Liv-52
Cialis
12mg p/day fish oil
Multivitamin
Glucosamine

Please let me kno what u think as I'm starting in 2 days.

Originally Posted by jackedntan

Loaroks solid bro. Id leave out the deca for your first cycle. Start pct 2 weeks after last shot of test. Here is a solid pct:
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Phytoserms347

Docent enanthate have a 21 day half life.? So wk 3 I'd start not 2