Thread: Thou Shall Cut on Gear and Bulk off Cycle

Bump, looking for replies on cutting on cycle or indirectly by commenting on the article. Thanks guys.

It contests some common schools of thought, but it makes sense. While PCT-ing you need to keep the calories high, we know this. If you were on any sort of aromatizing compound you will probably put on some fluff or maybe even rebound. And if you don't mind the typical bulking "fluff" anyway then why not bulk off cycle? A protocol like this article suggests, would theoretically and imo help combat the catabolism of PCT. To cut at the end of a cycle or during PCT is counter productive.

Do not get out of shape in the off season. Try to stay in decent shape no matter what time of year it is. Learn that you can grow into a show,you dont have to pack on alot of garbage in "offseason", then cut for the show. And again,if you are taking high doses of aas, you are wasting your time without GH. Throw Gh in the mix and watch the transformation!! i have seen it time and again folks.

AAS allow for a dramatic increase in muscle size without the burden of adding bodyfat. Whether bulking or cutting, I prefer to be on some type of anabolic hormone. When not on AAS, I am usually in a maintenance phase between cycles to allow my body to readjust to its new "norm". As stated in the article however, it is all about one's diet and whether on AAS or not...a clean diet makes all the difference. I always strive to keep my BF% at 10% or below, and I am able to do this even when bulking because of the way I eat.

Originally Posted by GMO

AAS allow for a dramatic increase in muscle size without the burden of adding bodyfat. Whether bulking or cutting, I prefer to be on some type of anabolic hormone. When not on AAS, I am usually in a maintenance phase between cycles to allow my body to readjust to its new "norm". As stated in the article however, it is all about one's diet and whether on AAS or not...a clean diet makes all the difference. I always strive to keep my BF% at 10% or below, and I am able to do this even when bulking because of the way I eat.

Well said!

Originally Posted by RAWS n More

Do not get out of shape in the off season. Try to stay in decent shape no matter what time of year it is. Learn that you can grow into a show,you dont have to pack on alot of garbage in "offseason", then cut for the show. And again,if you are taking high doses of aas, you are wasting your time without GH. Throw Gh in the mix and watch the transformation!! i have seen it time and again folks.

Thanks for the info, you just confirmed what I've suspected. I've yet to get the HGh, but plan on introducing it into my budget by the end of the year.

i really want to try to add some hgh,igf etc stuff into my cycle just dont know enough about them why does nobody here talk much about them.

Originally Posted by GMO

a clean diet makes all the difference

Agreed, some confuse "bulking" in terms of eating all the crap you want

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

i really want to try to add some hgh,igf etc stuff into my cycle just dont know enough about them why does nobody here talk much about them.

Check out Dat's forum, great info on the ghrh peptides. That's what I'm using in my next cycle, if all goes according to plan.

Originally Posted by GMO

AAS allow for a dramatic increase in muscle size without the burden of adding bodyfat. Whether bulking or cutting, I prefer to be on some type of anabolic hormone. When not on AAS, I am usually in a maintenance phase between cycles to allow my body to readjust to its new "norm". As stated in the article however, it is all about one's diet and whether on AAS or not...a clean diet makes all the difference. I always strive to keep my BF% at 10% or below, and I am able to do this even when bulking because of the way I eat.

Well stated.

Originally Posted by GMO

AAS allow for a dramatic increase in muscle size without the burden of adding bodyfat. Whether bulking or cutting, I prefer to be on some type of anabolic hormone. When not on AAS, I am usually in a maintenance phase between cycles to allow my body to readjust to its new "norm". As stated in the article however, it is all about one's diet and whether on AAS or not...a clean diet makes all the difference. I always strive to keep my BF% at 10% or below, and I am able to do this even when bulking because of the way I eat.

I'm striving now to maintain a lower bodyfat as you said. I'm not really looking to bulk up again, just get big enough to where I can maintain bodyfat or even lose some.

Just got done a convo with a good friend of mine who is very researched in... ahem, chemical enhancement...

He said that the test bloat would probably keep me from seeing very low bodyfat %. I would be using an AI of course to minimize bloat, not to mention watch my DIET of course. So what do you guys think? Would the bloat keep me from reaching the desired low BF?

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Just got done a convo with a good friend of mine who is very researched in... ahem, chemical enhancement...

He said that the test bloat would probably keep me from seeing very low bodyfat %. I would be using an AI of course to minimize bloat, not to mention watch my DIET of course. So what do you guys think? Would the bloat keep me from reaching the desired low BF?

Not necessarily. I think it depends on how your own body responds to E2, and everyone is different. Does it make things more difficult? Of course. It just means that your diet must be that much more in-tune. Test is the most versatile of the AAS's, whether you are bulking or cutting. I find that 1mg a-dex ED helps keep the test-fluff under control for me. Intense cardio helps alot too. Like I said, I seem to be sensitive to E2 and the A-dex definitely helps. You just can't get upset if the gains aren't as "explosive" as you might like. But hey, if you're cutting it shouldn't bother you.

Throwing in gH might make an excellent addition due to its direct influence on lipolysis, anti-catabolic nature and increased recovery. For me it's speculation though because I have no experience with the stuff.

Seems guys have successfully used AndroHard to keep bloat at bay. Out of all our products, it might be the one of most use to someone who is doing test cycles (as DHT itself is not available).

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Seems guys have successfully used AndroHard to keep bloat at bay. Out of all our products, it might be the one of most use to someone who is doing test cycles (as DHT itself is not available).

Agreed, I'm keeping letro on hand of course. Someone running only Androhard just got bloodwork done, he has less than 20 pg/ml e2.

Not necessarily. I think it depends on how your own body responds to E2, and everyone is different. Does it make things more difficult? Of course. It just means that your diet must be that much more in-tune. Test is the most versatile of the AAS's, whether you are bulking or cutting. I find that 1mg a-dex ED helps keep the test-fluff under control for me. Intense cardio helps alot too. Like I said, I seem to be sensitive to E2 and the A-dex definitely helps. You just can't get upset if the gains aren't as "explosive" as you might like. But hey, if you're cutting it shouldn't bother you.

Throwing in gH might make an excellent addition due to its direct influence on lipolysis, anti-catabolic nature and increased recovery. For me it's speculation though because I have no experience with the stuff.

True true. I'll be using a pretty low carb diet as well. Not too low, as I know I need a bit more carbs for the AAS. But low enough, shouldn't be "fluffy" at all lol

And yes, the GH will help a ton I'm betting on.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Agreed, I'm keeping letro on hand of course. Someone running only Androhard just got bloodwork done, he has less than 20 pg/ml e2.

Wow didn't see that, nice

1) You can't bulk that much off cycle.
2) Otherwise, great idea.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Would the bloat keep me from reaching the desired low BF?

Bloat refers to water retention, not being a fatty.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Agreed, I'm keeping letro on hand of course. Someone running only Androhard just got bloodwork done, he has less than 20 pg/ml e2.



True true. I'll be using a pretty low carb diet as well. Not too low, as I know I need a bit more carbs for the AAS. But low enough, shouldn't be "fluffy" at all lol

And yes, the GH will help a ton I'm betting on.

Wait, do you actually have growth h, or was that just a shift in discussion?

Originally Posted by Mudge

Bloat refers to water retention, not being a fatty.

Right, that's why I was confused.

Study, no I don't have GH, I'm going to be using Ipam/Mod-GRF.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Right, that's why I was confused.

Study, no I don't have GH, I'm going to be using Ipam/Mod-GRF.

Nice. I have been doing GHRP2/Mod in the AM and Ipam/Mod at night and have been enjoying it.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Just got done a convo with a good friend of mine who is very researched in... ahem, chemical enhancement...

He said that the test bloat would probably keep me from seeing very low bodyfat %. I would be using an AI of course to minimize bloat, not to mention watch my DIET of course. So what do you guys think? Would the bloat keep me from reaching the desired low BF?

Ai's will keep you pretty dry, but your diet also has to be on point to minimize bloat. Estrogen is only one of the causes of water retention. Sodium in your diet, insufficient H2O consumption and lack of cardio can all cause your body to hold on to some water. And even when I have everything dialed in, I still see some reduction of water retention after my test clears during PCT. Your goal on cycle should be what you want to look like AFTER your PCT, not during your cycle.

The rebound thing works but you can quickly become fat. Plus in reality after the rebound most of us are stuck with a compromised endocrine system for months. So, the gains fostered under the metabolic conditions presented by insulin sensitivity diminish as that sensitivity wanes and sex steroid and IGF systems are compromised.

Probably the best was I've found to continue piling on the lean gains with my crap genetics is to do 8 week cycles with 4 weeks off in between. Alternate bulk and cut as necessary.

Originally Posted by Glycomann

8 week cycles with 4 weeks off in between. Alternate bulk and cut as necessary.

That is not even enough time to do PCT, much less recover.

I may have to look at running lower dosed test (200-350mg per week) and running a drier compound alongside it. Thanks for the help guys.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

That is not even enough time to do PCT, much less recover.

That's right. I'm 50 and on TRT. Plus you want effective? That's effective. No yoyoing. No recovery. Just growth. You want real recovery then take 6 months off between cycles. Less than that and most people are fooling themselves.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

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I'm sure this is of differing opinions with 80% of the people on this board, would love to hear some feedback on why this is right or wrong.

Personally, I like the idea of priming before a cycle, then bulking on cycle.

that is not news didnt the old timers, Arnold and the rest use gear while cuting to help maintain what they had earned the rest of the year?

But I love Mat Porters article on this. thanks for sharing

Originally Posted by Glycomann

That's right. I'm 50 and on TRT. Plus you want effective? That's effective. No yoyoing. No recovery. Just growth. You want real recovery then take 6 months off between cycles. Less than that and most people are fooling themselves.

Agreed. It's tough man... even a perfect PCT might not bring someone back.