Thread: pure strength cycle

Originally Posted by BigBird

From my personal experience, I believe liver toxicity, although a very real thing indeed, is over-estimated. My belief is due to the fact that a strong healthy liver like mine has withstood running months and months of many orals, sometimes multiple orals at once, with lab results in the end showing liver values to be in good standing. (However, my cholesterol and BP are currently a trainwreck, and this why I am taking a loooong break from orals). I do not believe 8 weeks of orals - separated by a two week break - will cause any significant liver issues. Of course, this cannot be guaranteed, but I am merely stating the case that if I can run virtually 8 months of heavy orals with no evidence of hepa-toxicity, it is certainly reasonable to expect a normal healthy liver to handle 8 weeks. That's all. In fact, many users use an oral for a kickstart, followed by a short oral-free period, and then bring up the rear of the cycle with another oral. While I do take liver health seriously, I am not one to be ultra-conservative when recommending orals to someone provided his liver and overall health is in good working condition.

That's fine. It's just my opinion, it doesn't make it right.

I just think the issues you're having with cholesterol might be related to orals.

The only true way to find out if the liver is indeed healthy is a GGT test, and most Dr's. just run AST, and ALT, which are poor indicators of what is really going on.

Do you run some type of liver detox while running orals?

Originally Posted by CT

That's fine. It's just my opinion, it doesn't make it right.

I just think the issues you're having with cholesterol might be related to orals.

The only true way to find out if the liver is indeed healthy is a GGT test, and most Dr's. just run AST, and ALT, which are poor indicators of what is really going on.

Do you run some type of liver detox while running orals?

I certainly believe that the most likely cuplrits of my cholesterol issue are the orals. Looking forward to being oral-free and having cholesterol re-checked after 4-6 weeks of no orals. Cholesterol was always good throughout my life even when on only injectables. However, poor cholesterol runs in th family so I'm going to be conservative in the future when using orals - if the cholesterol is in good standing following cessation of orals. Once I ran multiple orals for extended time frame, it went to shit. HDL in particular (only a mere eight (8)!!) I've been running Liv52, then once finished that, I ran LiveRite? or LiverAid? - an otc supplement along with extra milk thistle. A couple of months ago I added Hawthorne Berry as well, not to mention being a regular consumer of fresh leafy greens. I would like to think the liver support is a big reason liver values have remained okay.

Interesting about the "GGT" you mentioned. Thanks. I know he ran AST and ALT. I see the doc today and will inquire about the GGT. Hopefully he did run it as he knows about my aas usage.

so ct you think i could get away with running 6 weeks of androl with liver supps right?and i tought anadrol was the most toxic oral you say halo?ok guys so i am thinking test e/c and androl first 6 weeks at 50mg a week wanting to add one more thing just cant deside what would be best for me here.deca needs to be ran longer than 10 weeks tren would work good but i plane on running it in my next cycle after this one summer cutter dont think running tren back to back cycle would be best but idk.so i need help what would be good for short cycle and causes super human strength?

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

so ct you think i could get away with running 6 weeks of androl with liver supps right?and i tought anadrol was the most toxic oral you say halo?ok guys so i am thinking test e/c and androl first 6 weeks at 50mg a week wanting to add one more thing just cant deside what would be best for me here.deca needs to be ran longer than 10 weeks tren would work good but i plane on running it in my next cycle after this one summer cutter dont think running tren back to back cycle would be best but idk.so i need help what would be good for short cycle and causes super human strength?

You seem to have named it in a nutshell BigBen - that is, a Test/Anadrol cycle is widely confirmed as a mass bulker and strength cycle. I don't know how much "more" toxic Halo is than Drol but neither of them are particularly liver-friendly. You'll get strength with either one. But MUCH more bulk with Drol. 4-6 weeks on Drol is standard procedure. There is also the short ester version of Deca known as NPP. It's Nandrolone Phenyl-propionate. Pinning required EOD or E3D and will ceertainly assist in the bulk and strength category. Some advocate against running Nandrolone with Drol as it "can" cause progesterone-related gyno or libido issues but if your test odes is high enough libido shouldn't be a problem. Also, proper AI would minimize gyno risk.

CT?

Originally Posted by BigBird

I certainly believe that the most likely cuplrits of my cholesterol issue are the orals. Looking forward to being oral-free and having cholesterol re-checked after 4-6 weeks of no orals. Cholesterol was always good throughout my life even when on only injectables. However, poor cholesterol runs in th family so I'm going to be conservative in the future when using orals - if the cholesterol is in good standing following cessation of orals. Once I ran multiple orals for extended time frame, it went to shit. HDL in particular (only a mere eight (8)!!) I've been running Liv52, then once finished that, I ran LiveRite? or LiverAid? - an otc supplement along with extra milk thistle. A couple of months ago I added Hawthorne Berry as well, not to mention being a regular consumer of fresh leafy greens. I would like to think the liver support is a big reason liver values have remained okay.

Interesting about the "GGT" you mentioned. Thanks. I know he ran AST and ALT. I see the doc today and will inquire about the GGT. Hopefully he did run it as he knows about my aas usage.

You can get your cholesterol back in good order within a month if you use the following, in the following doses:

-Slo release niacin - 1500mg ED
-Policosanol - 40-60mg ED
-Read Yeast Rice - 1200mg ED
-Fish Oil - 4 Tbsp. ED - If you're using caps 12-15 caps ED

If it's JUST the HDL then just use the fish oil.

Originally Posted by CT

You can get your cholesterol back in good order within a month if you use the following, in the following doses:

-Slo release niacin - 1500mg ED
-Policosanol - 40-60mg ED
-Read Yeast Rice - 1200mg ED
-Fish Oil - 4 Tbsp. ED - If you're using caps 12-15 caps ED

If it's JUST the HDL then just use the fish oil.

Thanks CT. Regarding the fishoil, I've been taking 1,200mg of Omega-3 Fish Oil ED. 1,200mg per capsule. You're recommending increasing capsules up to 12 for 14,400mg Omega 3 per day?

Originally Posted by BigBird

You seem to have named it in a nutshell BigBen - that is, a Test/Anadrol cycle is widely confirmed as a mass bulker and strength cycle. I don't know how much "more" toxic Halo is than Drol but neither of them are particularly liver-friendly. You'll get strength with either one. But MUCH more bulk with Drol. 4-6 weeks on Drol is standard procedure. There is also the short ester version of Deca known as NPP. It's Nandrolone Phenyl-propionate. Pinning required EOD or E3D and will ceertainly assist in the bulk and strength category. Some advocate against running Nandrolone with Drol as it "can" cause progesterone-related gyno or libido issues but if your test odes is high enough libido shouldn't be a problem. Also, proper AI would minimize gyno risk.

CT?

+1.

Halo is 2-3 times more toxic than drol. It is chemically altered in two spots, instead of one like most orals.

IF you're going to use NPP, use it EOD. Other than that I think BigBird has it covered, ESPECIALLY with the D/A and the A/I.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Thanks CT. Regarding the fishoil, I've been taking 1,200mg of Omega-3 Fish Oil ED. 1,200mg per capsule. You're recommending increasing capsules up to 12 for 14,400mg Omega 3 per day?

Yes. You want to be around 15-20g a day.

Originally Posted by CT

+1.

Halo is 2-3 times more toxic than drol. It is chemically altered in two spots, instead of one like most orals.

IF you're going to use NPP, use it EOD. Other than that I think BigBird has it covered, ESPECIALLY with the D/A and the A/I.

I remember reading about Halo at the top of the Toxic chain but didn't care to find out why. The double chemical alteration as you indicated makes sense. Duly noted on the EOD with the NPP. Good call. I'm currently running the Mast Prop EOD. Thought about E3D but EOD feels right and I don't want to tamper with something that is working well for me.

Originally Posted by CT

Yes. You want to be around 15-20g a day.

Wow. Ok. Good thing I purchased the LARGE bottles and got the two-for-one special!!

Originally Posted by CT

+1.

Halo is 2-3 times more toxic than drol. It is chemically altered in two spots, instead of one like most orals.

IF you're going to use NPP, use it EOD. Other than that I think BigBird has it covered, ESPECIALLY with the D/A and the A/I.

So it's not just methylated? What's the other change? I didn't know you were such a chemisty geek I'm a nerd too.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

So it's not just methylated? What's the other change? I didn't know you were such a chemisty geek I'm a nerd too.

I don't remember, it's Friday and my brain has already left for the day, try again next week.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

So it's not just methylated? What's the other change? I didn't know you were such a chemisty geek I'm a nerd too.

I think that's just it. It's methylated but at different places versus just one methylated chemical alteration of its molecular structure.


Repeat that 5 times as fast as you can.

Originally Posted by BigBird

It's all a matter of containing the aggression and getting it out in the gym. Maturity is of utmost importance if running Halo. It's most noted for extreme aggression combined with real strength gains.

Thank you.

Can you give a dosing scheme for a first-time cycle? I would probably start at 10 mgs, and run it between 20-40 mgs from the write-ups on it. Cycle should probably be kept short due to its toxicity I would think.

I'm thinking of running it down the road after I have a few more cycles under my belt. I've ran 2 PH cycles, and planning on running one this fall. Haven't stated running injectables yet. 5'9", 195 lbs aging strength athlete...

Originally Posted by BigBird

I think that's just it. It's methylated but at different places versus just one methylated chemical alteration of its molecular structure.


Repeat that 5 times as fast as you can.

Normally it's just at the 17th position I believe. But one difference can make drastic changes in how it affects us. Obviously we all know that though.

ok thanks so to rap this post up run test e/c arround 1g a week anadrol 50mg aday for 6 weeks and npp looking for doasage ideas here.i will run this cycle for 10 weeks maybe 12 idk.does this look good.

400mg of npp a week is what i would run

Originally Posted by yerg

400mg of npp a week is what i would run

^^^This


Why are you running 1g of test right off the bat. What have been your dosages in the past?

Personally, I like to start at 750mg and ramp up to 1g at week eight when myostatin begins to slow gains.

Originally Posted by GMO

^^^This


Why are you running 1g of test right off the bat. What have been your dosages in the past?

Personally, I like to start at 750mg and ramp up to 1g at week eight when myostatin begins to slow gains.

I'm agreeing with GMO on starting dose. It's nice to start moderately high and then half way through cycle BAM - kick it up a notch. 300-400mg NPP sounds on point. That is 100-150mg EOD. 50mg ED of Drol.

On a separate note, if you ever choose to run Halo in another future cycle, I'd start at 20mg ED and gauge it from there. I've never done less than 20mg. I've also done 30mg and 40mg. Not much difference between 30 and 40mg in my case. 30mg seemed like my sweet spot but sweet spots will vary.

ok sounds good yea may start test at 750mg then up to 1g.my last cycle i did 500mg a week test then uped it to 750mg a week and finish last 2 weeks at 1g a week.thanks guys i sould get crazy strength gains off this cycle.

Indeed you should. Keep us posted on your progress. Interested to see how your max weights go up. Of course, don't get hurt! May the force be with you!