Thread: Endurance and Bone size

most, if not all aas will increase rbc which will increase VO2 max. I just climbed my first mountain on aas and my endurance was amazing. I also handled the altitude much better than usual because of the increased hemoglobin.
I climb quite a bit but have never done it on aas. But, I had to drop any orals a few weeks before the climb because of the pumps in my calves and back.

What you get from most steroids primarily is a promotion of lean muscle mass and recovery. For an endurance athlete, mass is not something they are usually looking to add because its just that much more weight they have to carry around & that much more burden on their cardiovascular capacity. The recovery aspect is a plus, but then you'd have to balance that w/ something that isn't heavily anabolic. Then if you look at the more androgenic cutters, you have to look at their characteristics - e.g. winstrol is apparently a favorite of sprinters, but at the cost of dry joints and higher liver impact and of course the impact of running an oral cycle w/o a test baseline (which would bring you back to more mass). Everyone loves tren for leanness and strength, but it destroys your cardiovascular capacity, so that's probably out. EQ promotes connective tissue so that might be something. It also doesnt' aromatize so no water. Primo is another that might be an option. But then you also have to look at the impact of things like higher blood pressure on your endurance / performance.

Of all the stuff, probably a low dose anavar + gh would be a plus.

EPO....

Unless you want muscle growth and recovery, then I would look into EQ, Primo or just a good old fashioned cycle of Test

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

most, if not all aas will increase rbc which will increase VO2 max. I just climbed my first mountain on aas and my endurance was amazing. I also handled the altitude much better than usual because of the increased hemoglobin.
I climb quite a bit but have never done it on aas. But, I had to drop any orals a few weeks before the climb because of the pumps in my calves and back.

What type were you using?

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

What type were you using?

just test e at 500mg/week. I dropped the tbol a few weeks before climb

Clen is the shit for cardio, helps u breath which wud help with the altitude id assume

I think endurance enhancing drugs for long distance running, etc tpyically consist of EPO blood-boosting etc. However, I'm sure certain aas compounds could assist as well. Note the 2007 Tour de France winner, Floyd Landis. He tested positive for testosterone and after blaming his test level on everything from a shot of whiskey to the shape of the clouds in the sky he finally admitted to doping , lol.

1988 Olympics, Seoul South Korea. Ben Johnson broke all-time record for 100 meter time. Tested positive for Winstrol and stripped of titel obviously but the replay of the race certainly shows him blowing away the competition. He actually stated later on the Winstrol made him feel too "tight." But I guess it helped him with his sprint time!

While on Test Cyp and Anadrol at 21 yrs old, I broke the 4th metacarpal in my left hand. K-wire was inserted to ensure proper alignment during healing process. After healing, doc said the bone recovered strong and was unusually dense. Not sure if what, if any, role the aas played in the "extremely dense" bone doc said I have.

Floyd Landis...I'm a disappoint....

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

most, if not all aas will increase rbc which will increase VO2 max. I just climbed my first mountain on aas and my endurance was amazing. I also handled the altitude much better than usual because of the increased hemoglobin.
I climb quite a bit but have never done it on aas. But, I had to drop any orals a few weeks before the climb because of the pumps in my calves and back.

So would methadrol extreme add bone density because it contains superdrol?

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

So would methadrol extreme add bone density because it contains superdrol?

Bone density is what GH and HGH are for. Heck even osteoperotic drugs like evista and calcitonin would increase bone density or at least prevent bone resorption. Evista, a SERM, is used to give the effects of estrogen without the sides.

I'm going to be honest here, if you can get the REAL stuff, go for it. Superdrol (albeit it is a steroid) is known for causing fatigue and back pumps. What you want is something that is going to help you "increase your endurance" via hemoglobin capabilities. If you have the ability and availability of getting EQ, Primo or even a jug of test, your better off then having a PH.

Originally Posted by djlance

Bone density is what GH and HGH are for. Heck even osteoperotic drugs like evista and calcitonin would increase bone density or at least prevent bone resorption. Evista, a SERM, is used to give the effects of estrogen without the sides.

I'm going to be honest here, if you can get the REAL stuff, go for it. Superdrol (albeit it is a steroid) is known for causing fatigue and back pumps. What you want is something that is going to help you "increase your endurance" via hemoglobin capabilities. If you have the ability and availability of getting EQ, Primo or even a jug of test, your better off then having a PH.

What has worse side effects, superdrol or the ones that you listed?

You mean -

Superdrol vs. Test, EQ, Primo or GH?

It's like comparing apples to oranges. Steroids and GH are proven to work. Unless you get shit product, you will definitely get results. Superdrol is one of the strongest OTC steroids you can buy. However, it's an oral steroid thus the harshness on the liver.

EPO is erythropoietin. When exogenous EPO is administered, it signals specific organs in the body to produce red blood cells. That's why endurance athletes take it. It's not a steroid, it just boosts your circulating RBCs. I haven't seen EPO as readily available as sauce and GH, but I haven't looked.

Originally Posted by djlance

You mean -

Superdrol vs. Test, EQ, Primo or GH?

It's like comparing apples to oranges. Steroids and GH are proven to work. Unless you get shit product, you will definitely get results. Superdrol is one of the strongest OTC steroids you can buy. However, it's an oral steroid thus the harshness on the liver.

EPO is erythropoietin. When exogenous EPO is administered, it signals specific organs in the body to produce red blood cells. That's why endurance athletes take it. It's not a steroid, it just boosts your circulating RBCs. I haven't seen EPO as readily available as sauce and GH, but I haven't looked.

So any ph will increase bone density slightly? I wonder if 4000 UI a day of vitamin d will increase bone density.

Originally Posted by sassy69

What you get from most steroids primarily is a promotion of lean muscle mass and recovery. For an endurance athlete, mass is not something they are usually looking to add because its just that much more weight they have to carry around & that much more burden on their cardiovascular capacity. The recovery aspect is a plus, but then you'd have to balance that w/ something that isn't heavily anabolic. Then if you look at the more androgenic cutters, you have to look at their characteristics - e.g. winstrol is apparently a favorite of sprinters, but at the cost of dry joints and higher liver impact and of course the impact of running an oral cycle w/o a test baseline (which would bring you back to more mass). Everyone loves tren for leanness and strength, but it destroys your cardiovascular capacity, so that's probably out. EQ promotes connective tissue so that might be something. It also doesnt' aromatize so no water. Primo is another that might be an option. But then you also have to look at the impact of things like higher blood pressure on your endurance / performance.

Of all the stuff, probably a low dose anavar + gh would be a plus.

x2 but eq does aromatize...

Originally Posted by maged

x2 but eq does aromatize...

Yes I just learned this tonite.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Yes I just learned this tonite.

Did your boobs feel like they were growing?

oh wait...

Anyway, if you weigh more than you should your endurance is going to take a hit.

Originally Posted by UA_Iron

Did your boobs feel like they were growing?

oh wait...

Anyway, if you weigh more than you should your endurance is going to take a hit.

X2

Originally Posted by UA_Iron

Did your boobs feel like they were growing?

oh wait...

Anyway, if you weigh more than you should your endurance is going to take a hit.

There are huge guys in the military though that travel long distances very fast ie: Marcus Luttrell, Navy SEAL. He was one of the fastest during his training and he was close to 300lbs.

What are the best anabolics for increasing bone density? I heard deca is good. Is that accurate?

Yes deca is good, gh may be better, test/deca/GH might be the best

not sure why you're hung up on superdrol/ph's, if they have any effect on bone density it's not going to be much in a few weeks

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Yes deca is good, gh may be better, test/deca/GH might be the best

not sure why you're hung up on superdrol/ph's, if they have any effect on bone density it's not going to be much in a few weeks

So you're saying that ph's aren't that great in general. I've been told methadrol is better than dbol. Is that true?

for endurance sports like running and biking i know people had good results with

150mg to 200mg test
200mg of eq

i know it is quite low dose, but it does give that little added bump for recovery

What about steroids that decrease bone density?

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

So you're saying that ph's aren't that great in general. I've been told methadrol is better than dbol. Is that true?

Not at all, some of the ph's out there like SD/phera are great. And yes I've heard sd is more anabolic than dbol and I think that's entirely possible. Just saying for endurance or bone density they wouldn't be my first choice. Any signifigant change in bone density is likely to take quite a while. And the increased endurance from AAS is only temporary, once they're out of your system your rbc count will start to return to normal. So you might get a small boost for a few weeks on an oral but you've pretty much got to make use of it during the last week or two when the effect is at it's peak. Painful pumps/cramping etc are pretty common sides of SD especially so I wouldn't want to try running a marathon on it. EQ should be good for endurance, and may even help bone density. That's just a guess though, it apparently has a similar effect to deca on collagen production so it may do the same for bones. Although deca's effect on bones may be because it's a progestin and therefore similar to a "female" hormone. I know estrogen plays a large role in bone density so I THINK the same could be true of progestins? Again I have no source for this and it's purely speculation lol

I have to ask, why are you so concerned with bone density?
Anavar is actually prescribed for older people with osteoporosis in low doses.

Originally Posted by maged

x2 but eq does aromatize...

.........but only half as much as Test.

Originally Posted by Call of Ktulu

What about steroids that decrease bone density?

The only steroids that i know of that decrease bone density are cortisol steroids.

I would just run test E your not going to get huge unless your eating like a monster and lifting. I dont see honestly how steroids can increase your muscle mass to a such a level as to be detramental to your endurance if the majority of your training is endurance. Also diet will play a key role in how much muscle he gains while on cycle and from my expierence as an endurance athelete he should be eating a lot of carbs not 600 grams of protien. Basically all im saying is depending on diet and training that steroid is going to produce different amounts of muscle.

and if you after increased bone density as others have stated gh is what you need.

Long distance running, as in marathons...

Gas Bus (Actovigen) is much safer than EPO and cheeper

Test Prop 250 mg - 300 mg per week

EQ 600 mg per week

Maybe add

NPP 200 mg - 250 mg per week

Winny low dose oral or pin.

For bones GH is by far the best.

EDIT: I just want to add this and make it clear. Actovigen, the Gas Bus, though safer than EPO is still not something to use without fulling understanding how! Look it up and read a lot.