Thread: First cycle......feeling amazing

only thing you're running is hdrol?

Originally Posted by minimal

only thing you're running is hdrol?

Yup. Hdrol at 75mgs a day for 6 weeks

if hdrol impressed you... you will live with a constant boner on some real juice... of course, i'm talking about orange juice.

I love orange juice!!

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Originally Posted by Hammer925

Well im on my first cycle right now. Im justabout at the end of week 4 of hdrol and i feel fucking amazing. I gained about 8ilbs so far. I started at 200ilbs 20% body fat. Now im 208 18% bf. i feel like a monster and all i want to do is workout. Im allllways hungry tho...either because i love toking up everyday or because the hdrol...probably both. The only bad thing is none of my clothes fit me anymore!! Theyre all skin tight.Im loving life right now

Excellent!

I had my first run on P-mag, 100mgs X 6 weeks. Very similar to H-drol. Both are excellent compounds.

Are you using a SERM for PCT?

I did a 6 week cycle of hdrol, all I got was 5lbs, severe cramps, and nightmares every night. Never again will I touch a pro hormone, never.

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I ran Hdrol for 6 weeks, went from 228 to 242, felt amazing. Strength went through the roof, put on a lot of size, kept steady at 236 post PCT. Little to no sides, a little sweat at night, some back pumps when I was playing sports, little anger issues, but nothing to write home about. I was very impressed by the drol, would run it again, but decided to go the DMZ route for this one starting Aug. 1st.

And now you know. Welcome to the dark side...

Originally Posted by Culler

I ran Hdrol for 6 weeks, went from 228 to 242, felt amazing. Strength went through the roof, put on a lot of size, kept steady at 236 post PCT. Little to no sides, a little sweat at night, some back pumps when I was playing sports, little anger issues, but nothing to write home about. I was very impressed by the drol, would run it again, but decided to go the DMZ route for this one starting Aug. 1st.

Dymethazine is a very good compound. I think you'll be happy with it.

I would run it at 30 mgs to start, with a possible bump to 45 mgs.

6 weeks should be nice

Nolva: 20/20/10/10 should suffice for PCT.

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

I did a 6 week cycle of hdrol, all I got was 5lbs, severe cramps, and nightmares every night. Never again will I touch a pro hormone, never.

Sorry to hear about your experience.

So, what now? You planning on pinning test? H-drol is closely related to the oral AAS T-bol. I think it's the Prohormone to it, but I'll have to look at the nomenclature again.

When you say, "cramps," are you describing digestive issues?

I'll be doing test and dbol. The problem with pro hormones is they rely on a conversion with enzymes in your body, and I don't know if something went wrong in my body or what. As far as cramps I'm talking muscle cramps. I was on taurine and potassium and was still getting cramps everywhere. My glutes cramped so bad doing deadlift I didn't even make it to the treadmills to try and walk them out.

I'll stick to the active hormones from now on.

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Originally Posted by Peyot

Dymethazine is a very good compound. I think you'll be happy with it.

I would run it at 30 mgs to start, with a possible bump to 45 mgs.

6 weeks should be nice

Nolva: 20/20/10/10 should suffice for PCT.

I'm going to run it at 30 ed for 4 weeks. Have Nolva for PCT, caps are only 20, so will run it 20/20/20/20, figure that should be fine. Really looking forward to this one.

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

I'll be doing test and dbol. The problem with pro hormones is they rely on a conversion with enzymes in your body, and I don't know if something went wrong in my body or what. As far as cramps I'm talking muscle cramps. I was on taurine and potassium and was still getting cramps everywhere. My glutes cramped so bad doing deadlift I didn't even make it to the treadmills to try and walk them out.

I'll stick to the active hormones from now on.

I see. I'm active over at Prohormone Forum, and we hear pretty much everything over there. 10g Taurine/day should have reduced the back pumps that hit your glutes. That doesn't sound fun. I ran Havoc and had some bad shin pumps before upping my Taurine dose to about 7g at which point they subsided.

Since Dbol is also a methylated compound, it would be interesting to see exactly how it is metabolized in terms of it being processed any different that H-drol. I remember Patrick Arnold stating that Dbol may be the Prohormone to another substance, so this does get interesting.

Anyway, best of luck on the test cycle/Dbol kickstart!

Originally Posted by Culler

I'm going to run it at 30 ed for 4 weeks. Have Nolva for PCT, caps are only 20, so will run it 20/20/20/20, figure that should be fine. Really looking forward to this one.

30mg X 4 weeks should be a good run as well. You might decide to extend it because it's so good ...so remember our conversation at the 4 week mark

A lot of folks have been reporting 3 weeks being enough on Superdrol recently, so it is quite possible - with DMZ being a similar compound - that a 4 week run will be plenty.

Nolva: 20/20/20/20 should be fine. I get pharma grade, and get the 10mg tabs 'cause I like to taper down myself.

Good luck!

Use clomid for PCT rather than nolva.. 50/50/50/50

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Use clomid for PCT rather than nolva.. 50/50/50/50

Clomid is a good choice as well.

I recommend Clomid: 50/50/25/25 for a cycle of DMZ: 30/30/30/30.

Originally Posted by Peyot

I see. I'm active over at Prohormone Forum, and we hear pretty much everything over there. 10g Taurine/day should have reduced the back pumps that hit your glutes. That doesn't sound fun. I ran Havoc and had some bad shin pumps before upping my Taurine dose to about 7g at which point they subsided.

Since Dbol is also a methylated compound, it would be interesting to see exactly how it is metabolized in terms of it being processed any different that H-drol. I remember Patrick Arnold stating that Dbol may be the Prohormone to another substance, so this does get interesting.

Anyway, best of luck on the test cycle/Dbol kickstart!

I was a member there as well. The taurine did nothing for the cramps, and these were not back pumps, don't get it confused. Dbol IIRC is a hormone in active form, yes its methylated but that is to get it through the liver. I've already done a dbol only cycle because I got it for free. Not only did I experience zero sides, my mood level was amazing, my strength and weight went up as well but as expected with an oral only cycle I kept no gains.

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Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

I was a member there as well. The taurine did nothing for the cramps, and these were not back pumps, don't get it confused. Dbol IIRC is a hormone in active form, yes its methylated but that is to get it through the liver. I've already done a dbol only cycle because I got it for free. Not only did I experience zero sides, my mood level was amazing, my strength and weight went up as well but as expected with an oral only cycle I kept no gains.

Sorry to hear that you kept no gains.

Diety and Owen Z both did Dbol-only cycles that they Logged at PHF, and both kept all of their gains.

You should probably marry the phf, sounds like you're in love.

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Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

You should probably marry the phf, sounds like you're in love.

We've got some good, knowlegable folks over there. Just trying to extend the Love here Bro. That's all.

Originally Posted by Peyot

We've got some good, knowlegable folks over there. Just trying to extend the Love here Bro. That's all.

Posting about people that are exceptions to the rule helps nobody. There is a reason oral only cycles in general don't work. Is there a chance you'll keep your gains? Yes, but why gamble it?

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Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

Posting about people that are exceptions to the rule helps nobody. There is a reason oral only cycles in general don't work. Is there a chance you'll keep your gains? Yes, but why gamble it?

Well, I have experience keeping gains from a P-mag cycle and an Epi cycle, and guess what, when I run all the other oral-only cycles I'm planning on running - which will include Dbol, either solo or combined in a stack - I'll keep those gains too. Mark my words.

It's not a gamble if you know what you're doing - it's a sure thing

Originally Posted by Evil Eagle

Posting about people that are exceptions to the rule helps nobody. There is a reason oral only cycles in general don't work. Is there a chance you'll keep your gains? Yes, but why gamble it?

Since this board seems to be filled with members who are talking down oral-only cycles, I'm going to say that I'd be willing to bet that most of them are not proficient at running these type of cycles, and are putting them down without learning to run them properly, and listening to others who are like-minded.

You reported only gaining 5 lbs on your H-drol cycle. This is almost certainly attributable to your diet and not to the compound. The compound was doing it's job. Were you doing yours?

What other PH have you run? Was this your first cycle? H-drol is usually recommended for a 1st cycle.

Back pumps are what you were describing. You're asking me not to get confused. I'm not confused. You're telling me that members who run oral-only cycles do not keep their gains. I'm giving you the resources to verify whether they do or not. Read my P-mag Log and Havoc review. I kept my gains. Trust me. I'm not here to BS you or anyone else.

You're an idiot, go back to the phf.

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