Thread: NPP, Prop, Dbol bulk cycle.

looks good to me, damn!

I would probably run a long ester test with a dbol kicker and backend, but thats a personal preference only.

The other thing with NPP, EOD is fine - ED you'll probably see you levels getting progressively higher as your cycle progressives - get a calc to see where you'll be at after 10 weeks using both scenarios. Dont need the deca dick experience.

Nice cycle.
Unless gyno is an issue , you would probably get away without running any AI during first 9 weeks.
Also for lean gains consider using Tbol instead of Dbol.

Originally Posted by OfficerFarva

I've ran a few fairly simple cycles in the past, pretty much what HeavyIron has written up for his first and second cycles in the stickies.

I was thinking of doing a 12 week bulk of prop, npp, and dbol. It'd look something like this:

1-12 100mg/day Test Prop
1-10 50mg/day NPP
9-12 50mg/day DBol

1-12 500ius HCG/2x Week
1-12 12.5mg/day aromasin

PCT:

100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3)
25/25/25/12.5 Aromasin (25mg daily for 3 weeks, 12.5mg daily in week 4)
3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
10g creatine daily

On Hand just in case:

Prami or Caber


Any recommendations to this?

Looks pretty damn good to me. I would pin the NPP and the Prop eod (100mg NPP and 200mg Prop), though. There is really no reason to pin those esters ED, unless you just like sticking yourself. Also, run the cabergoline at 0.5mg/wk to avoid any potential issues with prolactin. It takes a while to work, so it is better for prevention rather than trying to rectify an already existing issue. Either that, or get regular labs on cycle to see where your levels are.

Obviously, you DO want to run Aromasin from day one, as you have outlined. Not starting at week 9 as the above poster mentioned.

Dannie was full of shit on the AI call. Always run a goddam AI from start to finish

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Dannie was full of shit on the AI call. Always run a goddam AI from start to finish

Think we went to different schools

Here in Europe AI is used only with high doses of harsh compounds or by stage competitors. Averages Joes aint bothered with it. - probably due to lack of research labs and pricey pharma grade products.
But everyone is happy

1st few cycles is usually Dbol solo, then test at 500mg/week

Originally Posted by Dannie

Think we went to different schools

Here in Europe AI is used only with high doses of harsh compounds or by stage competitors. Averages Joes aint bothered with it. - probably due to lack of research labs and pricey pharma grade products.
But everyone is happy

1st few cycles is usually Dbol solo, then test at 500mg/week

I don't like my E2 levels to soar when on cycle. I hate being bloated full of water, not too mention the high risk for gyno. I prefer to stay titty free, lean, hard and dry.

Originally Posted by Dannie

Think we went to different schools

Here in Europe AI is used only with high doses of harsh compounds or by stage competitors. Averages Joes aint bothered with it. - probably due to lack of research labs and pricey pharma grade products.
But everyone is happy

1st few cycles is usually Dbol solo, then test at 500mg/week

yeah man, listen to GMO. You reduce the risk of gyno and bloat big time running an AI.

Farva nice looking cycle. I would probably go with GMOs layout of eod injection. IM running winny ed now and it a pain literally to pin everyday. and the half like is long enough in htose two compounds to be spread out and not get any major peaks or troughs. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Dannie

Think we went to different schools

Here in Europe AI is used only with high doses of harsh compounds or by stage competitors. Averages Joes aint bothered with it. - probably due to lack of research labs and pricey pharma grade products.
But everyone is happy

1st few cycles is usually Dbol solo, then test at 500mg/week

Average joes aint bothered with getting Gyno? I guess that explains the lack of dental care in Europe, The average joe inst bothered with it.

Dbol solo huh as a first cycle... good advice!

Dental and health care is spot on

No health insurance is needed

Ive seen a lot of fucked up info from the uk. This same guy was questioning the use of slin pin IM sayimg to inject 3 ml sub q

I'd bump the dbol up to like week 5 so you get the test and npp working together with it.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I'd bump the dbol up to like week 5 so you get the test and npp working together with it.

I was thinking along similar lines, although I was going to suggest that he run the d-bol 6 weeks (Wk 5-12). Stopping at four when you are still getting gains from it, doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by GMO

I was thinking along similar lines, although I was going to suggest that he run the d-bol 6 weeks (Wk 5-12). Stopping at four when you are still getting gains from it, doesn't make sense.

I might do some experiments on this cycle with how long I gain on dbol. Mainly cause I don't think it's that toxic, I have a shit ton, and it's that badass!

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I might do some experiments on this cycle with how long I gain on dbol. Mainly cause I don't think it's that toxic, I have a shit ton, and it's that badass!

If you run a good fishoil regime and stay off hte booze I think the toxicity levels are manageable. Bigbird posted his results from a long oral cycle and had neglegable liver value increases. Everyone will react different though and I find when its time to get off hte orals you know it. Your body will tell you lol!!

Nice.

I would just run parmipexole from day one .10mg for the first 5 days and then increase it .5mg E5D until you reach .25mg ED. It will increase your natural GH levels.................and in your case, that is a good thing.

You can dose the NPP EOD if you wanted, your call.

Good luck.

For ED nothing beats Suspension,Winstrol Depot,Masteron,and Adrol. 2 words, BIG and Hard. AP is great

Originally Posted by Justinbro

Suspension,and Adrol. AP is great

I'm glad to hear that

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll hopefully be starting this in a month or so. I'll start up a log so you can follow the fun.