Thread: Superdrol,Andromass,M1t,Pheraplex for AAS Kickstarts

Andromass advantages: Non-toxic, very rapid weight/strength gains, good for a bulk cycle as opposed to a cut/recomp.

Superdrol advantages: Very fast weight gain, good strength gains, very dry, great for a cut or bulk.

Pheraplex advantages: Great strength/weight gain, wet so good for a bulk, has a dbol type feel good feeling reported

M1t advantages: Probably the king of phs/ds, incredible weight/strength gain, though it's highly toxic, great for a bulk, probably not good for a cut.

Only problem I have with M1t and Superdrol is that 4 weeks is pushing it (especially M1t). Phera isn't bad at 4 weeks, Andromass obviously has no toxic sides.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Opinions on these designers/pro hormones for kick starting a cycle?

-Superdrol
-Andromass
-M1t
-Pheraplex

I'd ask in the PH section but as this pertains to an injectable cycle, I'm just wondering if anyone has experience or opinions on this.

Absolutely bro. I've run numerous superdrol clones (and currently) for a good kickstart. Loved the results. Dbol is fine and dandy but I get too bloated on dbol. Way less bloat with superdrol which = better gains imo.

Not to mention PHs are easier to come by. Just make sure your liver support is on point.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Andromass advantages: Non-toxic, very rapid weight/strength gains, good for a bulk cycle as opposed to a cut/recomp.

Superdrol advantages: Very fast weight gain, good strength gains, very dry, great for a cut or bulk.

Pheraplex advantages: Great strength/weight gain, wet so good for a bulk, has a dbol type feel good feeling reported

M1t advantages: Probably the king of phs/ds, incredible weight/strength gain, though it's highly toxic, great for a bulk, probably not good for a cut.

Only problem I have with M1t and Superdrol is that 4 weeks is pushing it (especially M1t). Phera isn't bad at 4 weeks, Andromass obviously has no toxic sides.

Honestly with compounds like d-bol, anadrol, test prop, and Tren Ace, I see no need to screw around with prohormones for a kick start. Probably the only exception to this would be SuperDMZ IMO.

The only one I would use in the front end is the M1T. It is a strong Test base but can still cause Lethargy and is very harsh. The others are not really good for a kickstart and better for a Tail end. I would use Super DMZ at the end of the cycle. THis would be my number one choice because M1T I will never run. The others just are not worth using with AAS IMO. Better options available. Super DMZ is very nice though.

Phera is my favorite oral steroid, SD makes me feel like death, M1T was great as well, but I had single digit HDL numbers to thank for it. I haven't ran AM yet, but considering the low sides it seems like a great choice.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

The only one I would use in the front end is the M1T. It is a strong Test base but can still cause Lethargy and is very harsh. The others are not really good for a kickstart and better for a Tail end. I would use Super DMZ at the end of the cycle. THis would be my number one choice because M1T I will never run. The others just are not worth using with AAS IMO. Better options available. Super DMZ is very nice though.

Hmm hadn't thought of that. Obviously a 12-16 weeker could afford 3 weeks in the beginning and a methyl and 3 weeks at the end. Thanks for the advice!

M1T FTW, I love M1t man its nice

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

M1T FTW, I love M1t man its nice

Even despite the toxicity? I'll have to give it another look. Thanks for the suggestion

Superdrol - very effective, heavy sides. Keep to a min length

PP - Way overrated - not very effective with pretty bad sides considering

M1T - kick ass but far to toxic for me to consider anymore

Why not just go d-bol though?

Originally Posted by Ace5high

Superdrol - very effective, heavy sides. Keep to a min length

PP - Way overrated - not very effective with pretty bad sides considering

M1T - kick ass but far to toxic for me to consider anymore

Why not just go d-bol though?

Not to zero in the topic, but where exactly are you pulling the above from?

I loved Madol (PP) at 60mgs, though at that amount sides became similar to SD/M1T.
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Don't know how anyone could run a legit phera clone and not love it. Better than dbol imo. 3 caps of the old 15mg p-plex and I was growing so fast it hardly made sense, and without any other AAS involved.

For the best results/sides ratio I'd have to go phera, I felt great on it and had some of the most insane pumps ever. I'd say it was a tiny bit wet but hardly the kind of bloat I get from dbol. SD or M1t might provide similar results but they're harshhh. Also phera is definitely better for mass than strength.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Even despite the toxicity? I'll have to give it another look. Thanks for the suggestion

Despite its toxicity, taken with proper precautions gains are solid, and you feel almost super human!

And its proven, no hype like some products on the market today....

Alpha One and Boladrol can also be used as kickstarts.

Originally Posted by Peyot

Alpha One and Boladrol can also be used as kickstarts.

Alpha One is a ph to M1T no? I liked Boladrol, however it was the beta version...

Originally Posted by ryansm

Alpha One is a ph to M1T no? I liked Boladrol, however it was the beta version...

Yes. I know that Alpha One is said to be the precursor to M1T, but I'd have to ask Brymaster or henryv if it's the prohormone to it. I know it's called Methyl-1-Alpha (M1A) on TunedSports. I actually think it's a product made specially by CEL, but I am not completely sure (see below for my add-on).

I heard that Boladrol is very good, although I know there are mixed reviews on it. I'm currently subscribed to a Log of it, and the member seems to be having a really good run with it.

Ok... I took a look at the Tuned Sports Article.

According to it, Legal Gear/LG Sciences brought it out in 2005. Seems that EST Methyl XT was another product containing Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone. The article says precursor with an "educated estimate" of 15-20% conversion rate to M1T.

I'm planning to run it in the fall. I'll make sure my supports are on point and my seatbelt is fastened. I'm planning a run of 20/40/40/(?). I hear 60 mgs is pushing it with this one.

Originally Posted by Peyot

Yes. I know that Alpha One is said to be the precursor to M1T, but I'd have to ask Brymaster or henryv if it's the prohormone to it. I know it's called Methyl-1-Alpha (M1A) on TunedSports. I actually think it's a product made specially by CEL, but I am not completely sure (see below for my add-on).

I heard that Boladrol is very good, although I know there are mixed reviews on it. I'm currently subscribed to a Log of it, and the member seems to be having a really good run with it.

Ok... I took a look at the Tuned Sports Article.

According to it, Legal Gear/LG Sciences brought it out in 2005. Seems that EST Methyl XT was another product containing Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone. The article says precursor with an "educated estimate" of 15-20% conversion rate to M1T.

I'm planning to run it in the fall. I'll make sure my supports are on point and my seatbelt is fastened. I'm planning a run of 20/40/40/(?). I hear 60 mgs is pushing it with this one.

Henry is a smart cat, I do know that Alpha One should have similar sides to M1T certainly since you will be running possibly 60mgs

Originally Posted by Ace5high

Superdrol - very effective, heavy sides. Keep to a min length

PP - Way overrated - not very effective with pretty bad sides considering

M1T - kick ass but far to toxic for me to consider anymore

Why not just go d-bol though?

From the opinions I'm getting, it looks like any one of these could be used as a kickstart... which makes sense. At only 3-4 weeks toxicity isn't much of an issue (unless my liver is already f'ked).

Originally Posted by ryansm

Henry is a smart cat, I do know that Alpha One should have similar sides to M1T certainly since you will be running possibly 60mgs

Henry is.

No, I will most probably refrain from 60mgs. 40mgs should give good results.

I was told that 60mgs is the highest anyone in their right mind would run, which in my mind equates to anything higher than 30mgs SD, and 45mgs D-zine for instance. I wouldn't even go to 30mgs SD when I do use it for a 1st time run. I'll stay at 20mgs with it. D-zine I get the feeling I could run at 45mgs but not higher.

Have you run any of these, and how high did you go?

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

From the opinions I'm getting, it looks like any one of these could be used as a kickstart... which makes sense. At only 3-4 weeks toxicity isn't much of an issue (unless my liver is already f'ked).

go with phera, you won't regret it

it's probably the second mildest next to andro when it comes to sides but it's one of the strongest things I've ever tried

ran sd i think at 40 mg for four weeks and liked it but gains went away... i ran dbol after that and bam not going back lol. but on this cycle i might run m1t on the tail end if everyone loves it so much.. dont know quite yet

Originally Posted by pitbullguy0101

ran sd i think at 40 mg for four weeks and liked it but gains went away... i ran dbol after that and bam not going back lol. but on this cycle i might run m1t on the tail end if everyone loves it so much.. dont know quite yet

I love m1t! did I mention I love it? Taken properly with liv support and for short bursts like 3-4 weeks, I haven't ran into toxicity issues, much more powerful than dbol imo, Now however since M1t is difficult to come by, Dbol has been my choice, SD works well too

Looks like I'll be using Ultradrol.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Looks like I'll be using Ultradrol.

Nice interested in your thoughts. I havnt followed much on it yet.

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Nice interested in your thoughts. I havnt followed much on it yet.

Yah I'll be posting liver work and probably lipids as well.

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Looks like I'll be using Ultradrol.

You and me both

BBG hit it spot on. I wouldnt risk the potential serious sides with superdrol or any of the others. even if you were on an organ shield product and milk thistle. The andro series are very promising with little to no sides other then getting to your goals faster.