Thread: Please review this upcoming cycle and critique.

no need to taper up or down....keep doses constant for the entire cycle

Originally Posted by irish_2003

no need to taper up or down....keep doses constant for the entire cycle

My thoughts exactly

Originally Posted by ted8541

10 Week cycle:

Week 1-7 = 250mg sus250 2X/week = 500 mg/wk
Week 8-10 = 375mg sus250 2X/week = 750 mg/wk

Week 1-7 = 100mg Primobolan 2X/week = 200 mg/wk
Week 8-10 = 200 mg Primobolan 2X/week = 400 mg/wk

Week 8-10 = 80mg Tren Ace EOD

Week 1-10 = 500iu HCG 2X/week

PCT:

Week 11 = 1000 iu HCG every 3rd day
Week 13 = 40mg Nolva and 100 mg Clomid
Week 14-15 = 20mg Nolva and 50 mg Clomid


I just finished a 12 week cycle of sust 250. It was my 3rd cycle since 1996. My second was in 2003. I'm 36, 5'9", 210, 20% bf.

I like to keep my cycles as simple as possible, but I'm interested in a slightly more advanced cycle for my 4th which I will kick off in mid-November later this year. My primary goal is body recomp.

I had a great last cycle. It was a simple jump start cycle. Beginning weight was 191 lbs at 34% body fat. I know, gross. By the end of the cycle I'm 210 lbs at 20% bf and maintaining strength and size.

I'm going to spend the next 4 months focusing on getting my body fat down below 15%. I believe this is achievable with an adjustment to diet and increased cardio. If I can lose 2% body fat a month, then I should be at 14% or better by November. That being said, I will postpone my cycle until I at least get below 15%.

This past cycle is the first time I've tried PCT. Didn't know about it in the past. Young and dumb. I've also never tried Tren Ace. I've heard good and I've heard bad. I'm not familiar with kickstarts using Dbol and I'm not familiar with Aromasin or Arimidex. I've read and researched my ass off but I have no personal experience using them. Any advise is greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys.

Im finding alot wrong with this cycle and PCT bro, Have you already purchased the gear? If not Id advise the following for a recomp/lean gain cycle. And this is keeping it simple, I can add alot more stuff in there, but in all honesty a simple Prop Tren Var, or Prop Mast var, Test E, EQ,Tbol lol their are so many options

1-12 Test E 750mg/wk
1-12 Primo 400mg/wk
1-5 Tbol 50mg/ed
1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod
1-13 Hcg 250iu/2x per week = 500iu/wk

PCT
14 Clomid 100mg/ed & 25mg aromasin/ed
15 Clomid 75mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/ed
16 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/eod
17 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg Aromasin/eod


OR

1-8 Test Prop 100mg/eod
1-8 Tren Ace 75mg-100mg/eod
1-6 Var 50mg/ed

Same pct as above just start pct week 9

Try to knock your BF down further in time for your planned November cycle. With Primo, I wouldn't run it less than 300mg EW or else don't run it at all. We have similar stats except for BF. Mine is around 10% maybe just under currently and going down each week from my body recomp cycle which started with Test/Tren Hex and Ace/Winstrol and then replaced Tren with Mast. I'm 35yrs old, 5'8" and about 212lbs. Now I'm going to start the Primo and see how things go. If you can't get more primo then put it aside and replace it with Mast and Winstrol or even Mast and Tren. Good luck.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

no need to taper up or down....keep doses constant for the entire cycle

I've kept doses constant in the past. This was an experiment based off the Cycle & PCT sticky authored by Heavy. Perhaps it's more relevant during longer cycles and keeping it constant for a 10 week cycle is more appropriate. I need to re-read his post.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Try to knock your BF down further in time for your planned November cycle. With Primo, I wouldn't run it less than 300mg EW or else don't run it at all. We have similar stats except for BF. Mine is around 10% maybe just under currently and going down each week from my body recomp cycle which started with Test/Tren Hex and Ace/Winstrol and then replaced Tren with Mast. I'm 35yrs old, 5'8" and about 212lbs. Now I'm going to start the Primo and see how things go. If you can't get more primo then put it aside and replace it with Mast and Winstrol or even Mast and Tren. Good luck.

That's a good point. Everything I've read suggests Primo at 300mg to 600mg per week. I just didn't want to over do it. But at the same time, if I don't dose enough, then I might as well not do it at all. And that shit is expensive, so I want to get it right.

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Im finding alot wrong with this cycle and PCT bro, Have you already purchased the gear? If not Id advise the following for a recomp/lean gain cycle. And this is keeping it simple, I can add alot more stuff in there, but in all honesty a simple Prop Tren Var, or Prop Mast var, Test E, EQ,Tbol lol their are so many options

1-12 Test E 750mg/wk
1-12 Primo 400mg/wk
1-5 Tbol 50mg/ed
1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod
1-13 Hcg 250iu/2x per week = 500iu/wk

PCT
14 Clomid 100mg/ed & 25mg aromasin/ed
15 Clomid 75mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/ed
16 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/eod
17 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg Aromasin/eod


OR

1-8 Test Prop 100mg/eod
1-8 Tren Ace 75mg-100mg/eod
1-6 Var 50mg/ed

Same pct as above just start pct week 9

Thanks OldSchool. I haven't bought my gear yet.

I think I prefer the first cycle even though it's more gear and longer. I'd rather pin twice a week than eod at this point. That may change over time though.

Would you be opposed to swapping out Test E with Test C or even a blend like sust250?

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Im finding alot wrong with this cycle and PCT bro, Have you already purchased the gear? If not Id advise the following for a recomp/lean gain cycle. And this is keeping it simple, I can add alot more stuff in there, but in all honesty a simple Prop Tren Var, or Prop Mast var, Test E, EQ,Tbol lol their are so many options

1-12 Test E 750mg/wk
1-12 Primo 400mg/wk
1-5 Tbol 50mg/ed
1-13 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod
1-13 Hcg 250iu/2x per week = 500iu/wk

PCT
14 Clomid 100mg/ed & 25mg aromasin/ed
15 Clomid 75mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/ed
16 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg aromasin/eod
17 Clomid 50mg/ed & 12.5mg Aromasin/eod


OR

1-8 Test Prop 100mg/eod
1-8 Tren Ace 75mg-100mg/eod
1-6 Var 50mg/ed

Same pct as above just start pct week 9

^^^Good stuff.

In all honesty, lean bulking can be done with anything as it is all about your diet. I just ended a lean bulk that included 1g Test E/wk and 50-75mg of D-bol ed. I dropped 2% in BF to 8.2% (hydrostatic) in just 13 weeks, while gaining 7lbs.

Before you start your cycle, post you diet and training routine in the appropriate forums, and let us get you dialed in before you start. The results will be much greater if you do...

I would also run the T-bol for 6 weeks, as it is kind of a slow starter. Personally, I would use D-bol, but T-bol is fun as well.

Originally Posted by ted8541

Would you be opposed to swapping out Test E with Test C or even a blend like sust250?

Blends suck...short and long esters do not belong in the same vial. Stick with C or E and run it 12 weeks as OLDSCHOOL stated.

GMO is point on - Blends suck. Stick Test E or Cyp (both cna be used interchangeably). When I use up a vial of test, I reach into my grab bag and pull out Cyp or E; doesn't matter which one.

And you won't be "overdoing it" by upping Primo to 300 or 400mg EW. It's known to be "easy" on your body as opposed to many other compounds. Christ, you can do 1,000mg EW of Primo and still suffer less sides than you would with 300mg Tren!!

Originally Posted by GMO

^^^Good stuff.

In all honesty, lean bulking can be done with anything as it is all about your diet. I just ended a lean bulk that included 1g Test E/wk and 50-75mg of D-bol ed. I dropped 2% in BF to 8.2% (hydrostatic) in just 13 weeks, while gaining 7lbs.

Before you start your cycle, post you diet and training routine in the appropriate forums, and let us get you dialed in before you start. The results will be much greater if you do...

I would also run the T-bol for 6 weeks, as it is kind of a slow starter. Personally, I would use D-bol, but T-bol is fun as well.


Blends suck...short and long esters do not belong in the same vial. Stick with C or E and run it 12 weeks as OLDSCHOOL stated.

Roger that. I'm definitely going to ask you guys about diet and training, probably post it up today. I'm good for a bulking diet and training, but I'm not sure what the diet is supposed to look like for lean mass.

I'm going to go with Test C this time. I'm going to research T-bol and D-bol more extensively before I commit to either one.

Thanks GMO.

Add proviron and you are golden