Thread: improving test levels off cycle

Originally Posted by biggyno

should I just run a normal PCT but actually do it correctly this time?

Yes!

Try clomid instead.

Clomid and aromasin

yeah i would just do clomid

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Clomid and aromasin

Aromasin might help with a little bounce back of the test but I'm not sure if it would be needed here since he's been off for a while.

Why not do a HCG protocol for 2 weeks alongside aromasin, then continue into a standard clomid PCT?

Who the fuck is this cat?^

Yeah run some OTC shit. Sounds like a great idea. Skip the tried and true method.

Originally Posted by YMCMB

Don't listing to none of these people telling you to use clomid. Go to needtobuildmuscle.com and get some HCGenerate and phytoserm. Run that for a month and I guarantee you will be fully recovered and feeling great. And if you don't like ( which I'm 100% sure you will ) thr owner Nathan will refund your money no questions asked

That is one thing about Elite Fitness that pisses me off, You all follow some bull shit over the counter crap for your pct, go buy the real shit and shut the fuck up...


What did you just come off your first dbol only cycle?

Originally Posted by YMCMB

Ok first of all it's not shit. If it's so much shit then how come that's what I take for my pct and I don't loose my strength and keep all my gains?! Can you do that with clomid?

Yes you can dumb ass, the information you get form EF is utter shit

Originally Posted by YMCMB

yup sure it is. That's why Nelson Montana supports all the OTC pct from needto so please. And no this is not my first cycle actually it's my 6th cycle.

Naive little man, Nelson doesn't PCT, he cruises to the the next, and just promotes what high paying forum sponsor has conjured, I have ordered from Need to Build for other items, But using an OTC pct junk is ridiculous

Originally Posted by YMCMB

Alright cool. That's your opinion . But I'm telling you it works because I've done it and I recover and keep my gains with bloodwork to prove it. If it didn't work then why is there hundreds of reviews from satisfied customers?

Becasue they are so new to aas they don't know the difference between being truly recovery and not, Half the people On your forum don't leave that forum and only take what they learn there, Hcg generate shit... But in reality if they pct'd correctly they would retain more, and feel even better, Stay a while brother learn some things

Originally Posted by YMCMB

Alright cool that's your opinion. I have 6cycles under my belt I'm not a newb to this. I've done clomid and nolvadex before for pct and always feel like shit n loose size. With needtos pct I feel great keep my size and strength . But I respect your opinion

Guy your not shitting anyone... If you have 6 cycles under your belt, why did you use novla in pct? Clomid is far superior along side aromasin your golden. But you are very much entitled to your opinion

Originally Posted by YMCMB

Alright cool that's your opinion. I have 6cycles under my belt I'm not a newb to this. I've done clomid and nolvadex before for pct and always feel like shit n loose size. With needtos pct I feel great keep my size and strength . But I respect your opinion

Wow, not not only is his OTC shit as good as nolva/clomid, it's way better...brb, losing 5 lbs during PCT with clomid that I could retain with this shit, give me a break.

i personally think Nelson is on EF just to make some money.

Originally Posted by malfeasance

Clomid and aromasin

This

so I'm hearing clomid and aromasin, I agree with that, I dont think im going to try OTC PCT, sorry

if you did to OTC PCT, i would say TRS with TCF 1. but if u can get clomid and aromasin, then by all means do that. always have a backup plan

for sure hit up clomid...it has medical backing. most OCT supps do not

should i taper down the dosage at the end to prevent estrogen rebound?

and also, I have heard mixed things about clomid, opposed to nolvadex and tore, I heard tore does the best job in bringing back test

Originally Posted by biggyno

good afternoon, I have been through with my 12 week cycle of test e 500 mg a week for 5 months, and I did not finish my PCT regime which was tore and nolva, I experienced depression during my pct which made me unmotivated even worse than a normal PCT, so I wouldnt take my next dose of nolva/tore for a week at a time or so. I realize that is why I am having this problem and trying to fix it very quick. My test levels never significantly improved after my cycle due to my non use of nolva and tore. Now its been 4 months since ive concluded using tore and nolva, and im experience a little gyno, nothing to serious, I am more concerned with raising my test levels and growing my nads a little lol... Anyone have suggestions of just one supplement that will do the job, or should I stack tore with Letro, or another AI? or should I just run a normal PCT but actually do it correctly this time? Please any help would be appreciated

This is what I would do in your shoes:

Wk 1-2 HCG 1000-2500iu eod
Wk 1 Nolva 40mg ED (for your gyno)
Wk 2 Nolva 20mg ED (only reduce if gyno symptoms have vanished, otherwise stay at 40mg ED until they do, then drop down to 20mg ED for 1 week)
Wk 1-6 Aromasin 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Wk 3-6 Clomid 100/100/75/50

You can also use Letro instead of Nolva as it effectively combats gyno. if you choose this route, PM me and I'll lay out the protocol.

Originally Posted by GMO

This is what I would do in your shoes:

Wk 1-2 HCG 1000-2500iu eod
Wk 1 Nolva 40mg ED (for your gyno)
Wk 2 Nolva 20mg ED (only reduce if gyno symptoms have vanished, otherwise stay at 40mg ED until they do, then drop down to 20mg ED for 1 week)
Wk 1-6 Aromasin 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Wk 3-6 Clomid 100/100/75/50

You can also use Letro instead of Nolva as it effectively combats gyno. if you choose this route, PM me and I'll lay out the protocol.

A very well put together PCT! Reps coming to you GMO! After I spread some around first ARGG!

GMO laid out a really good PCT to follow. Stay away from soy products because they can lower testosterone and raise estrogen levels.

GymAddiction.com - Soy And Its Effects

The problem with his pct is that I am unavailably to find hcg, but that would be my first choice to raise my test.

The problem with his pct is that I'm unavailable to find hcg, or else I would use it for sure

Originally Posted by biggyno

should i taper down the dosage at the end to prevent estrogen rebound?

with Clomid standard pct can be. 100/75/50/50 or 100/100/75/50 but have aromasin in their at 25/25/12.5/12.5 the aromasin will prevent estro rebound

Originally Posted by biggyno

The problem with his pct is that I'm unavailable to find hcg, or else I would use it for sure

If you spend ten minutes on Google I am sure you can find it.

there are some good otc stuff and some shitty stuff i have used erase as ai and formastansol from mr supps some of the best ai i have ever used bar none blood work to back it up.and i all so add som otc stuff along with my clomid and aro.but i am not going to do a all otc pct no way.