Did I make a mistake going with EF?

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 01:53 PM

Going to run first cycle and bought Into EF. I bought HCGenerate, Forma stanzol, and Letrozole. Did I waste my money and still need to get clomid? I will be running test cyc 500mg/wk for 10 weeks.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 07-22-2011, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tone27

Going to run first cycle and bought Into EF. I bought HCGenerate, Forma stanzol, and Letrozole. Did I waste my money and still need to get clomid? I will be running test cyc 500mg/wk for 10 weeks.

Yes it is wasted sorry bro, Get aromasin, and Clomid

**OldSchoolLifter** · 07-22-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

No do not run clomid. That all you need for your pct I promise you. Remember clomid is for girls that can't ovulate. Clomid will make you feel like shit im pct. Don't listing to these idiots here. Go to EF and get some good advice from vets

**MDR** · 07-22-2011, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tone27

Going to run first cycle and bought Into EF. I bought HCGenerate, Forma stanzol, and Letrozole. Did I waste my money and still need to get clomid? I will be running test cyc 500mg/wk for 10 weeks.

^Placebos. You need a SERM and a good A/I (like Clomid and Aromasin).

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 02:34 PM

Oldschool is everything I bought just garbage?

**OldSchoolLifter** · 07-22-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Tone27

Oldschool is everything I bought just garbage?

Think about this, What would you rely on more, A pct that has been scientifically backed, buy double blind studies, or an OTC PCT that is only backed by bro-science..?

Its your health bro, I know I prefer science

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 02:44 PM

I here ya. That's why I came over to ironmag before starting. After being on their for a while I noticed all they do is jack each other off and bash you if you disagree

**SloppyJ** · 07-22-2011, 02:45 PM

If it was good, it wouldn't be OTC.

**OldSchoolLifter** · 07-22-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tone27

I here ya. That's why I came over to ironmag before starting. After being on their for a while I noticed all they do is jack each other off and bash you if you disagree

I was banned today for Supporting a Clomid & Aromasin PCT over their sponsors junk.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

If it was good, it wouldn't be OTC.

Very True

**BIGBEN2011** · 07-22-2011, 03:00 PM

the real truth is that not all otc is junk like sloppy said he is 100% wroung but for pct i would not run only otc pct you can use what you got along with clomid and aro.but now for ai i have never used any thing better and i am using pharma gread aromasin right now but erase and fomstansol from mrsupps worked just as good even not a liitle better.erase is really a little to stroung i have to keep my dose to one pill a day or my joints hurt and thats with me running over 2 grams of pharma grade gear a week.there is no 100% right and wroung when you are dealing with people everything works diffrent for everybody.just because you do not know what is good otc and what is junk does not mean all of it is junk.but to be on the save side for pct i would use clomid and aromasin and you can throu otc stuff in with it all so if you want.

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 03:26 PM

Very good info. Now back to my cycle. 10 wks test cyp. 500mg/wk 250 evry mon and thurs. Is HCG necessary? If not, is clomid and aromasin all I need to run a decent test cycle? Thanks for advice fellas. Never going back to EF

**Prince** · 07-22-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

No do not run clomid. That all you need for your pct I promise you. Remember clomid is for girls that can't ovulate. Clomid will make you feel like shit im pct. Don't listing to these idiots here. Go to EF and get some good advice from vets

**SloppyJ** · 07-22-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

the real truth is that not all otc is junk like sloppy said he is 100% wroung but for pct i would not run only otc pct you can use what you got along with clomid and aro.but now for ai i have never used any thing better and i am using pharma gread aromasin right now but erase and fomstansol from mrsupps worked just as good even not a liitle better.erase is really a little to stroung i have to keep my dose to one pill a day or my joints hurt and thats with me running over 2 grams of pharma grade gear a week.there is no 100% right and wroung when you are dealing with people everything works diffrent for everybody.just because you do not know what is good otc and what is junk does not mean all of it is junk.but to be on the save side for pct i would use clomid and aromasin and you can throu otc stuff in with it all so if you want.

Excuse me. I'm "wroung".

I'll agree not all OTC stuff is junk. But when it comes to PCT it is.

**JCBourne** · 07-22-2011, 03:40 PM

If its good and works well, the government bans it from the public without a script. Think about it. You use a illegal product (without script) and you think a legal otc will work? Use science and actual real studies of a product for your PCT.

Sent from my phone.

**BIGBEN2011** · 07-22-2011, 03:46 PM

sloopj this is not a spelling bee but i really did not mean any thing bad toward you.just dont understand why everybody on here thinks so bad about all otc stuff.but yes your right for pct otc probally not best.but hey some do it and are ok so like i say when dealing with people nothing and i mean nothing is 100%.

**JCBourne** · 07-22-2011, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tone27

Very good info. Now back to my cycle. 10 wks test cyp. 500mg/wk 250 evry mon and thurs. Is HCG necessary? If not, is clomid and aromasin all I need to run a decent test cycle? Thanks for advice fellas. Never going back to EF

HCG isn't necessary but your balls will stay normal size and your loads may be bigger. Clomid/Aromasin in PCT.

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 03:52 PM

With test 500/wk start clomid 2 weeks after last pin? What dose and how long run it and the aro what dose and when to use?

**OldSchoolLifter** · 07-22-2011, 03:55 PM

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod

PCT

12 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
13 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
14 75mg clomid/ED 12.5mg Aromasin/ ED
15 50mg clomid/ed 12.5mg aromasin/ eod

**Tone27** · 07-22-2011, 03:57 PM

Perfect Oldschool. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

**bmw** · 07-22-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Yes it is wasted sorry bro, Get aromasin, and Clomid

how is letrozole a waste? Even if you don't like any OTC products...?

**bmw** · 07-22-2011, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

Think about this, What would you rely on more, A pct that has been scientifically backed, buy double blind studies, or an OTC PCT that is only backed by bro-science..?

Its your health bro, I know I prefer science

that doesn't really exist though. Not a "PCT" with DBPC studies. The scientific community doesn't even know wtf a "PCT" is, nor do they much care.

**bmw** · 07-22-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by BIGBEN2011

the real truth is that not all otc is junk like sloppy said he is 100% wroung but for pct i would not run only otc pct you can use what you got along with clomid and aro.but now for ai i have never used any thing better and i am using pharma gread aromasin right now but erase and fomstansol from mrsupps worked just as good even not a liitle better.erase is really a little to stroung i have to keep my dose to one pill a day or my joints hurt and thats with me running over 2 grams of pharma grade gear a week.there is no 100% right and wroung when you are dealing with people everything works diffrent for everybody.just because you do not know what is good otc and what is junk does not mean all of it is junk.but to be on the save side for pct i would use clomid and aromasin and you can throu otc stuff in with it all so if you want.

true bro. formestane/formastanz is some damn good stuff. I just don't really dig rubbing stuff on my body like that. But I guess if you're already taking a lot of pills and you want to cut down on that...

it's still good stuff.

**bmw** · 07-22-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

Excuse me. I'm "wroung".

I'll agree not all OTC stuff is junk. But when it comes to PCT it is.

I wouldn't run a complete OTC PCT, but I would use a combo, and/or after PCT I would use some OTC supps for test boosters, libido enhancers, etc.

**DecaConstruction** · 07-23-2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by CMB

No do not run clomid. That all you need for your pct I promise you. Remember clomid is for girls that can't ovulate. Clomid will make you feel like shit im pct. Don't listing to these idiots here. Go to EF and get some good advice from vets

**chucky1** · 07-23-2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod

PCT

12 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
13 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
14 75mg clomid/ED 12.5mg Aromasin/ ED
15 50mg clomid/ed 12.5mg aromasin/ eod

^...Oldschool said it plane and simple, thats the perfect first cycle, do what works bro...

**TGB1987** · 07-23-2011, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod

PCT

12 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
13 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
14 75mg clomid/ED 12.5mg Aromasin/ ED
15 50mg clomid/ed 12.5mg aromasin/ eod

This looks good ^. Some OTC products may have potential for PCT. I am looking into PES Erase a lot more. I think it may be enough for TRT dose Test or a cruise to keep Estro in check not sure but will see with blood work soon. I have a guy that wanted to try it out and is getting blood work soon for his TRT so it should make a difference if it works. ERASE is supposed to help block cortisol as well as act as an Type II AI. We need more proof though.

**dirtwarrior** · 07-23-2011, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

1-10 Test E 500mg/wk
1-11 Aromasin 12.5mg/eod

PCT

12 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
13 100mg clomid/ED 25mg aromasin/ ED
14 75mg clomid/ED 12.5mg Aromasin/ ED
15 50mg clomid/ed 12.5mg aromasin/ eod

Good to know

**bmw** · 07-23-2011, 03:01 PM

dude. go away.

**bmw** · 07-23-2011, 03:30 PM

can we please get a lock and a ban here?

**flexxthese** · 07-23-2011, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by CMB

No do not run clomid. That all you need for your pct I promise you. Remember clomid is for girls that can't ovulate. Clomid will make you feel like shit im pct. Don't listing to these idiots here. Go to EF and get some good advice from vets

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