Thread: Clomid or Nolva for PCT?

Just leaving my mark in this thread before it reaches 325091455314 pages.

Hahhaa. WTF is PCT. We don't need no stinking PCTs.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Which is superior? Clomid seems to be the old stand by. But, I've read a shitload of article that say Nolva is actuall much better.

FAMGD!

i also have read this before i started taking steroids 3 years ago...and for that i have been using nolvadex for pct during my 2 cycles...

but when i came here few month ago i saw people saying clomid is proven to be better than nolvadex....i asked why...and no one answered with specific reasons why clomid is better....i like to know why clomid is better

Because they're big fucking idiots. That's why they think clomid is better. 4 of them have already voted in this poll also.

Clomid works best for recovery. Nolva is counter-productive during PCT for many reasons. This had been covered Ad-nauseum in this forum. Use the search function.

Fuck it keep cruisin dude lol!!

Originally Posted by MDR

Clomid works best for recovery. Nolva is counter-productive during PCT for many reasons. This had been covered Ad-nauseum in this forum. Use the search function.

is it rly hard to state the reason why clomid is better here in a post???

say clomid is better for the following
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it isnt hard rly...!

Is it really that hard to search one of the dozens of threads on this very forum covering this? Get off your lazy ass and look it up yourself. I'm sick and tired of spoon-feeding the obvious to idiots who don't care enough to invest any time in actual research. If you don't want to find out the truth, then keep on believing that Nolva is a viable PCT option.

This is for all the Lazy fuckers who can't look it up yourself


Post Cycle therapy

I strongly believe that an AI should be used as long as there is an aromatizing compound being administered. In this case Testosterone and HCG aromatize therefore using an AI until these meds clear and a few weeks longer is what I am recommending. There is some evidence that adding Nolva to an AI does not increase the effectiveness of estro control therefore Nolva has no real advantage alongside an AI unless one is experiencing gyno. Additionally Nolva has been shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels when used alone. This is not a big deal on cycle as testosterone increases IGF-1 in a dose dependant relationship. However off cycle this is a problem. PCT is a fragile time and lower IGF-1 and GH levels is not desirable. I am recommending an AI that is specific to men that can be used on cycle and during PCT. It is my conclusion that Aromasin is the obvious choice.

Along with this-

Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.

All that info was already in my signature, reposted from a previous post and sticky by Heavyiron. Myself and many other experienced members have given out this same info dozens of times. Gets old restating the same things over and over again.

both is the right answer


nolva controls estorgen rebounds and clomid ignites natural test production.

Originally Posted by Crank

both is the right answer


nolva controls estorgen rebounds and clomid ignites natural test production.

Nolva is not needed for estro issues if you use Aromasin during PCT, and as previously mentioned, it has many negative effects on recovery during PCT.

Sounds like someone here could use an AI right now in this thread.

Anyhoo, why waste my time researching in here when I already know that you'll just bitch, yet answer the question anyway like you just did?

So, here's what I reckon I'll do.

Days 1-3: Clomid/Nolva 300mg/20mg
Days 3-10 Clomid 100mg/20mg
Days 10-30 Clomid 50mg/20mg
Days 30-40 Clomid 25mg/20mg

I'm thinking this should get the boys up and running with possibly two rounds after all this blasting & cruising.

Keep thinking. Then again, judging by your choice for president, it's obvious thinking is not your specialty.

Wrong. I didn't vote for that moron we have now.

Originally Posted by MDR

Along with this-

Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.

nolvadex does this....with an advantage that it doesnt negativly affect the gnrh on the long run....it may have the disadv. of decreasing igf but it doesnt desensize the testosterone production loop

Originally Posted by maged

i also have read this before i started taking steroids 3 years ago...and for that i have been using nolvadex for pct during my 2 cycles...

but when i came here few month ago i saw people saying clomid is proven to be better than nolvadex....i asked why...and no one answered with specific reasons why clomid is better....i like to know why clomid is better

Clomid is the drug prescribed by endos. It was developed to inhibit the E receptors in the hypothalamus and not the breast so by design it was meant for the same target as what we use it for only not for fertility but for recovery. Nolva was designed with a different purpose in mind. It may be class be as good or even better than Clomid but intent of development was different.

Used nolva for pct and it worked pretty well, sex drive was back up within 10 days and my nuts filled out damn quick. No side effects whatsoever. I'll agree clomid might be slightly better for recovery though, but with the addition of aromasin IMO nolva will work just fine. Glad I don't have to worry about that anymore though as I agree with these guys lol.

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

Hahhaa. WTF is PCT. We don't need no stinking PCTs.

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Fuck it keep cruisin dude lol!!

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

Hahhaa. WTF is PCT. We don't need no stinking PCTs.

Pretty Contentious Thread?

Originally Posted by Digitalash

Used nolva for pct and it worked pretty well, sex drive was back up within 10 days and my nuts filled out damn quick. No side effects whatsoever. I'll agree clomid might be slightly better for recovery though, but with the addition of aromasin IMO nolva will work just fine. Glad I don't have to worry about that anymore though as I agree with these guys lol.

i know you've done more than enough research on aas and have a keen knowledge about it. but you ran your first cycle recently and now you're gonna go on self-administered trt?

At the end of the day everybody's body reacts differently to different compounds as we all know. So trail and error and see what works best for you.

From my research I found that Aromasin should not be used during PCT because of the following; (I am quoting)

"I like Arimidex/Aromasin during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?)."

I am planning to run my first cylcle and I am alittle confused from everything I have been reading everywhere,

Should I run Clomid alone or along with Nolvadex?

I will be running the following cycle;
-Test E 500mg (twice a week) per week for 10 weeks
-500iu HCG twice a week for 10 weeks (same day with Test E)

I will start PCT 14 days after my last injection of Test E and HCG,
But should I take Nolvadex and Clomid together or just Clomid alone?

Thank you!
I will be looking forward to hear from your experiences.

You are quoting somebody who doesn't understand the need to use a blood test to check e2 levels. Aromasin as a suicide inhibitor isn't like letrozole, and doesn't deactivate all the estradiol in your bloodstream. It suppresses just enough so that you don't rebound, grow boobs, and feel like stabbing yourself because of the lack test and high amount of e2.

Why would somebody sticky a protocol, which is obviously followed by tons and tons of people on this board successfully, if it didn't work? We always talk about tried and true methods, and you probably pulled that quote off a terrible board where people think hcg in pct is good and some dumb OTC estrogen control pill will actually do something other than burn your money. *COUGH*EF*COUGH*