Thread: alcohol vs orals

I believe (and someone correct me if wrong) that this is not as simple comparison to make. And what affects one person one way can affect another quite differently. Additionally the cause of liver damage is different.

That being said if you follow dosage guidelines I would say that a "bender" is worse.

Realy? I understand what your saying people could do anythink and be fine it just ddpends on the person.

Lets say m drol/sd matrix 2 of the most harshes ph on the market ( in my op i think they aint worth the sides ... But the toxic level on these are so much doffrent then the h drol on the liver right? Why is this?

You can't really compare because as has already been mentioned everyone processes
things and are affected in different ways.

Also you a person who drinks a glass or 2 of red wine every night over their lifetime is
not going to be hurting themselves at all. However a guy drinking half a bottle of Jack
most likely will.

But in the end, you know orals are liver toxic... Why take the chance at all? Be safe
run them with a liver protectant.

Synthetek make an excellent product, their Synthergine is great and is backed
by member blood tests results.

I would be using cycle assist to help the liver and more,

I woukd use test only cycle but it's more risk of hairloss also needle damge lol knowing me ud prob hit a vesal! Lol

The important distinction (which you already made) is that on one hand you are talking about a short cycle of orals at recommended doses (I hope that is what you intended); and on the other is a bout of binge drinking for an equal spam of time. Binge drinking involves "excessive" consumption.

Since it is not an apples to apples comparison you have to consider each individually. Commonly people who strictly follow dosage guidelines of orals report liver values in normal range (that's not to say there is never the unusual outlier in a chosen sample population).

Contrast that with reports of individuals who "binge drink" day after day for many weeks.

All in all however, my viewpoint may be skewed as I am not a fan of alcohol (specifically alcoholic drinking) because my wife drank herself to death almost 2 years ago.

I have been able to run orals continuously for many months along with liver support, milk thistle, etc and lab test showed liver values were barely elevated (and Yes, the gear has all been gtg). He explained that as long as your liver is in good working condition to begin with, it is a very resilient and strong organ, if the strongest organ, in the human body considering it's job. He said of course it would be wise to lay off the orals and "quit while you're ahead" otherwise I could be playing russian roulette with my liver health in the long term.

Having said the above, the long term (about 8 month) run with orals has wreaked havoc on my cholesterol. My suggestion would be not to worry about running an orla for 5 weeks as long as you're healthy to begin with and also, do Not run orals for a long time continuously like I did. I've been lucky liver-wise but hopefully my cholesterol will recover - doctor is confident it will. Good luck. For the record, my doctor said a weekend of binge drinking with beer and hard alcohol will cause more liver damage than running a cycle of oral aas. Go figure.

Everyone is different. What may not effect BigBird and myself, may cause another user's liver enzymes to be way off. You cannot predict how they will effect you, which is why bloodwork is so critical to anyone who is using AAS. Not getting it done is just asking for trouble in the long term.

That being said, an oral AAS ran for 6 weeks or less is generally very safe, especially if ran with cycle support of some kind.

Originally Posted by GMO

Everyone is different. What may not effect BigBird and myself, may cause another user's liver enzymes to be way off. You cannot predict how they will effect you, which is why bloodwork is so critical to anyone who is using AAS. Not getting it done is just asking for trouble in the long term.

That being said, an oral AAS ran for 6 weeks or less is generally very safe, especially if ran with cycle support of some kind.

Exactly GMO. No two snowflakes are alike! That's why whenever I mention running orals for an extended period of time with virtually no adverse liver effects, I try to make it clear that I do Not recommend anyone else to do this just because I did. I just throw my experience out there as an example of one extreme but definately not as an example of a suggested protocol for running orals. That would be assanine and irresponsible of me to recommend such a run with orals.

Thanks guys great info nolva is also liver toxic right? Bit it's not as bad as a oral tho ?

Shoot tren.

I looked up tren thats real harsh bro i mean aint it one of the strongest steriod out bro

What everyone else is saying, it depends on the person. But one should realize that h-drol would affect more then just the liver. Just be careful, either one isn't the best for your liver anyway haha.

Originally Posted by Mooksman

Shoot tren.

Negged...you don't recommend tren to a noobie...it is for advanced users.

OP, don't listen to this bad advice...

Yh iknow trens some hard stuff lol i already know that, h drol can affect more then the liver yes i know bro but just woundering.

I think imo that hdrol is a great first timing steriod .